Should I limp 22 UTG?

[GrunchCan]

Maybe. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyway like I said yesterday, I'm limping all small PP UTG for a month and see what happens.

[Ptolemy]

Since the topic of 22 has come up, at what point would you raise 22 first in?

[Trix]

Button with tight blinds or SB with tight BB.

At micro tables, it´s probably very rarely correct to raise 22 first in.

[Stork]

Button. Maybe CO in tight games.

[Trix]

I´ve mucked this hand most of the time I have played. I´ve played a little .5/1 when bored and probably fold it like half the time still.

What are your stats with Axs and small pairs UTG ?

If you have anywhere near a meaningfull sample that is.

I think a beginner easily could be negative EV with either of these hands if played 100%.

[bennyk]

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Take that 22 UTG over to Stars, Absolute, or TGC and see how +EV it is limping with small pairs in EP on tables that have less then 30% to the flop. Maybe it is...

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It isn't.

Saying something like "always limp 22 when UTG" is going to punch a leak in many-a-reader's game.

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[droolie]

I'm surprised 22 isn't an auto-muck for you at 3/6 UTG. That's encouraging that you find it to be +EV even at that level. I guess there's more money to be made there than I thought.

My answer for whether we should be limping with 22 UTG at .50/1 and 1/2 would be it depends.

I UTG limp with 22 very frequently but not 100%. I always do if I think there's a decent chance of having the pot be 5 way or more and the table hasn't been raising pf all the time. I find many of the 1/2 games I play don't meet this criteria and I'll muck it. I often play against super-maniacs on .50/1 and will often muck against them too.

Leaving every table where limping UTG with 22 is -EV is interesting advice but perhaps a bit unrealstic for some of us. It seems to me that if you multitable sometimes you will find yourself in these tables and will have to adjust your limping standards to the conditions of the table.

[bisonbison]

trix:

I've applied a filter to my 40k hands from December, and my 32k hands in October:

Hands: 22, 33, 44, 55
9-10 people at the table
Player is 6 or more positions off the button but not a blind.

There are 91 instances in December and 80 instances in October (85% 3/6, 15% .5/1).

Overall, I made .23BB/hand when dealt 22-55 UTG or UTG+1 at a 9 or 10 person table. My VPIP for those hands is > 97%, and I'm guessing some of those folds is when I'm UTG+1 and it's raised by the UTG player.

edit: I'm currently adding up all of my EP small pairs from august - december.

[bisonbison]

Okay, my stats gleaned from the last five months of 3/6 (which I hope everyone can agree should be a tougher game than Party .5/1 or 1/2):

Total Hands: 116,047
Instances of Small Pair in EP: 274
Net Gain: $431
.26BB/hand

Sure, there's a sample size issue here, but my impression has always been, and remains upon further reflection: if you can't limp 22 UTG, you should find another game.

[Entity]

Hey bison,

What's the ASF in those games? I'm guessing ~32%?