Party 10/20 Extracting the max, Take 2.

[IHateCats]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (7 handed) converter

SB ($436.50)
BB ($499.50)
UTG ($2000)
MP1 ($561)
MP2 ($3882)
Hero ($2079)
Button ($1970)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>, Button calls $70, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($170) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $125</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $250</font>, Hero calls $125.

Turn: ($670) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($670) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $350</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $800</font>

Hero reraises how much? What do you put him on here? Do you think he calls all in for another 850 with a set or a straight here? All I know about him is that he sat down 20-25 hands ago, he's seen about 10 flops in that strech and had been coming after my raises repeatedly anytime no A came on the flop.

Obviously I'll be reraising this here regardless with the nuts, the question is for how much? I know one of my 2 or 3 weaknesses most in need of work is not extracting the absolute max when I have monster hands, all too often I make a bet size on the basis what I think is small enough to almost certainly get called, not exracting the most overall, ie getting called for pot sized reraises 60% of the time being vastly better than being called for making 1/2 pot sized reraises 80% of the time, not to mention the frustration/bully equity that the larger raises can build.

[flawless_victory]

one of the worst posts yet.

[thabadguy]

1k on top or so?

Given the stack sizes, you just move-in. He only has 850 left, he's already pot-committed himself. He is either going to give you his whole stack or else not another dime. Why would he only leave himself with 350 if you min raise?

[mgsimpleton]

is there any move that isn't all in? i'd give villain a straight or a flush and he's pot committed.

[jaydub]

Fold, he has 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Just push at these stack sizes. Make it 1800-2000 straight if deeper.

[IHateCats]

If that's your opinion don't waste your time and mine by bothering to reply just let the thread die. And since you usally feel the need to include infantile insults with most of your posts, skip replying to me in the future, life's to short to bother dealing with rectal warts like you.

[ZeeJustin]

Looks like most posssible scenario is he has a smaller flush, so I'd push all-in.

[IHateCats]

Clearly since the consensus is so universal, I was making a mistake here by thinking anything other than moving in is a good option. I wasn't nearly so certain that he had a lower flush and would back it with the rest of his stack so I raised him another $600 to $1400, hoping it would get a crying call from a set, 2 pair or a straight but clearly the consensus is people will pay off here with those hands to a push here too, at least enough of the time for the extra $.

Could have I have made it easier on myself by leading for more here or was the weak lead of $350 into a $670 pot correct?

He had KhQh but he just called, leaving himself something like $250. Had I know that obviously I'd have pushed, I was thinking it was far more likely to be something like 8h5h, I assumed any K would have fired on the turn since I left the door open.

[DonButtons]

This really is a simple hand, min raise is horrible, just push. If he raised on the flop, checked behind on the turn, and reraised the river, cmon, doesnt get easier.