3 betting this river excessive?

baronzeus · #1 06-10-2005, 02:55 AM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

brassnuts · #2 06-10-2005, 02:57 AM

Sure seems like it.

Dov · #3 06-10-2005, 03:18 AM

Yes

emil3000 · #4 06-10-2005, 04:01 AM

But what the hell could he have that beats hero other than a strangely played AA... I see a couple of hands that he might play this way that don't beat hero, though. Like Aces up, or a lower set. I don't think this is way wrong...

EDIT: Sorry, obviously 78, messed positions up. Ok, I agree it's excessive...

Dov · #5 06-10-2005, 04:43 AM

You overlooked the [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] flush too.

spydog · #6 06-10-2005, 05:32 AM

WIth a 2-flush on the board you must 3-bet this flop or call his flop raise and lead the turn. You should NEVER call his flop bet and check the turn.

I would 3-bet this river. I don't think he's capping a flush draw on the turn or a hand that includes an 8. I think he can play A9, A6, or 66 the same way. If he smooth called your 3-bet preflop with AA then I think he waits until the turn to pop you. I can't see him raising the flop with it.

Post the results, please.

baronzeus · #7 06-10-2005, 05:53 AM

He turned over 78o. I got raped

emil3000 · #8 06-10-2005, 07:56 AM

With the turn action it's a lot less likely... I mean he could have a pair and flush draw, but it has to be one of the two lower pairs. I doubt he'd go nuts on the turn with that.

pointcount · #9 06-10-2005, 08:56 AM

I don't 3-bet this river. If it was a non-spade I would consider it.

Schneids · #10 06-10-2005, 09:22 AM

3 betting the river is suicide. Paying off the 4 bet is beyond that.