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Old 12-26-2005, 12:25 PM
Wynton Wynton is offline
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Default 3-bet J10s against good player?

Part of my recent quest to determine how wide I should make my range of 3-betting hands preflop.

A pretty good player - perhaps slightly more aggressive than the average TAG, but solid postflop - open raises from MP. You have J10s at co. At this table, 3-betting is very likely to ensure that the hand will be HU on the flop.

I've been mucking thisl. Should I be 3-betting instead?
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

Remember the the food pyramid you learned in elementary school? You should be 3 betting pre flop in this spot like you should be consuming "Fats and Oils," sparingly.
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

the decision is between call and raise 4 me.
i do both about equally.
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

I like the raise as long as you're not doing it to much, or seen as laggy.
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

Not exactly a clear concensus. Perhaps I should have created a poll?
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

The decision also depends on how often this guy goes to showdown. Some TAGs fold more than others, obviously. If this guy likes to call down, then unless you hit you're stuck at showdown with J-high.
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Old 12-26-2005, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

Well, I'm thinking of an opponent who does not blindly go to sd no matter what, and is willing to back off occasionally.

Does that change things for you?
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

5 handed or less this is an automatic three bet for a lot of reasons. If he really is solid then all the more reason to three bet. If he is an internet ace high call down artist then I guess the situational optimal play would be too fold, but I think metagame considerations call for a raise. Got to use your positon strongly in these pots.

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Old 12-28-2005, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

I think a lot of people over value JTs
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: 3-bet J10s against good player?

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I think a lot of people over value JTs

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How can you say such an absurd thing?

Oh wait, you read the rest of the thread where many posters want to go to war with a hijack open-raise by a good player. Nevermind, you are obviously right.

Seriously, 3-betting JTs here is spitting on the gap principle. You cannot do that against a good opponent and expect a happy ending. Only if Villain is really weak can you make up your inferior hand with fold equity.
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