Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Tournament Poker > One-table Tournaments
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-02-2005, 02:55 PM
jonoo jonoo is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2
Default ($11) drawing from SB

my original plan was to check and hope for a free card or c/r all in to an avg sized bet. should the bet and raise change my plan? should I have lead out?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

CO (t1875)
Button (t765)
Hero (t590)
BB (t1400)
UTG (t1600)
MP (t1770)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t50, Button calls t50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t50</font>, CO calls t50, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t300</font>, Hero????
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-02-2005, 03:55 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ($11) drawing from SB

Fold. You are not getting close to the odds you need to make this call, and if you miss your draw you are done. Leading out wouldn't be a great idea, since there are 3 players to act behind you who may have a made hand at this point. If you were to lead out though, push. Just check and fold this hand, and wait for a better spot to push the rest of your chips in there (which will have to be done soon preflop). If the blinds were a level or two higher, and you were in this exact situation with T550, I would start thinking about calling here. You original plan to c/r a small bet was not a bad idea, but this T300 reraise is the information that should tell you not to go through with it.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-07-2005, 09:31 AM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ($11) drawing from SB

[ QUOTE ]
Fold. You are not getting close to the odds you need to make this call, and if you miss your draw you are done.

[/ QUOTE ]

This may or may not be right. There is 600 in the pot and your call is 300. The pot is offering you 2 to 1 on your call. With this flush draw under the best case scenario, you have 9 outs or odds of 1.9 to 1, so the odds are there. The problem here is the limpers, if at least one of them has a flush draw, then you are down to 7 outs, and you would need odds of 2.6 to 1 to call.

If you let it go, you are short stacked but have several rounds around the table left. If you push, 65% if the time you are done, and 35% of the time you double or triple. Mi_T_Sharp is right about not having the odds to push, which is the only play you have with your stack.

It's up to you, gamble or try to hold out for a pre-flop push. I don't see a clear right or wrong. The advatage of the gamble, I see your push getting called and you possibly doubling (or tripling ) up. Then you are in a strong position for the SNG's remainder, or you are out and can go spend time at another one. If you fold, then you remain in a precarious but not yet desperate situation. It is up you, as either play seems feasible.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-07-2005, 09:45 AM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ($11) drawing from SB

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold. You are not getting close to the odds you need to make this call, and if you miss your draw you are done.

[/ QUOTE ]

This may or may not be right. There is t600 in the pot and your call is 300. The pot is offering you 2 to 1 on your call. With this flush draw under the best case scenario, you have 9 outs or odds of 1.9 to 1, so the odds are there. The problem here is the limpers, if at least one of them has a flush draw, then you are down to 7 outs, and you would need odds of 2.6 to 1 to call.


[/ QUOTE ]

You're assuming that you see the river for free and completely ignoring the straight draw.

Usually, in these spots, you look at the odds of making your hand on the turn. However, since you're so short, your never folding the turn with this draw, so you can pretend this bet is all in and you'll get to the river. In that case, this is an easy call/push with 12 outs (I don't think worrying about the A-high flush gonna get you anywhere). The interesting question is do you push or just call. Since you're unlikely to beat anyone in this pot without beating everyone, you should do whatever is most likely to keep players in. This is definitely a call in the $11s, as players won't often notice you've put in more than half your stack.

On the turn, you should check/call any bet.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-07-2005, 01:27 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: ($11) drawing from SB

[ QUOTE ]
You're assuming that you see the river for free and completely ignoring the straight draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

You are absolutely right. Brain fart over here.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-07-2005, 01:48 PM
11t 11t is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 283
Default Re: ($11) drawing from SB

Put your chips in the middle, you are short stacked and are getting way too good of odds to fold this str8 flush.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.