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Old 08-09-2005, 01:37 PM
Guthrie Guthrie is offline
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Default Flopped set, 3-flush on board

Fourth hand at the table, no reads. I think my only option on the flop is to bet out and see what the PF raiser does. On the turn it looks like UTG has hit his flush, but I have lots of reasonably good outs, and maybe since I raised the flop he thinks I already had a bigger flush.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font>.
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Old 08-09-2005, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

Call. You have 10 outs to a full house.
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Old 08-09-2005, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

This is an incredibly easy call. You need about $3.70 in that pot to call on the turn, you just hope the board pairs. This is also one of those rare instances that you might even have the odds to even call cold for 2 bets as well, as long as you thought you are getting the correct implied odds and nobody will be raise happy after you.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

:grunching:
I would call it down just to see the flush for myself since somebody has it for sure. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
I personally could not lay down a set here, but raising would be foolish.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

clear call. There are only a few scenarios where you are drawing dead and there's no need to ever worry about this.

I hate raising.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:22 PM
BWillie BWillie is offline
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

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I would call it down just to see the flush for myself since somebody has it for sure.

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I wouldn't, even if your opponents are crazy lunatics I probably wouldn't call a river bet with 4 hearts out there with 5 people seeing the flop. Lunatics love to get crazy with only one 3 of heart with a flop of full hearts. 5 people see the flop of pure hearts. Assuming the players are pretty avg, If anyone of them has a heart above like a 7 they are staying in. Anyone with a good hand top pair with any heart is staying in, pocket pairs with a heart staying in. I have to believe at least one of the people calling the flop has a heart. If the river spikes another heart, and there is action, I'm out of there. If it were HU people seeing the flop I may try betting the river with 4 hearts out there to scare the other guy away, but you can't be too aggressive here on the river if a heart spikes. People love to chase flushes
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Old 08-10-2005, 06:58 AM
Mooski Mooski is offline
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

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Call. You have 10 outs to a full house or quads.

[/ QUOTE ]FYP, but I agree with this totally, for just one extra bet... hoping nobody raises of course.

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Old 08-10-2005, 07:09 AM
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

Weren't we just talking about this in this thread?
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Old 08-10-2005, 07:19 AM
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Default Re: Flopped set, 3-flush on board

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Weren't we just talking about this in this thread?

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That hand deals with the flop, this hand deals with the turn. That detail alone makes a world of difference.

Raising the turn blows, folding it would make me cut my wrist.
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