Bellagio Turn Action

jen · #1 03-22-2005, 04:47 PM

Bellagio, NLHE 10-20, 20-to-go. Full game. The game is pretty deep, with two seriously bad players. There's lots of preflop limping, with little preflop raising, but big post-flop action. Here are the players:

Me (utg): $3k
utg+2: $5.5k
utg+3: $5k
SB: $3k

In UTG position, I got Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I limped, and five people called.

Flop: [T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Checked to me, and I bet $100. Three people called (see stack sizes above). UTG+2 and UTG+3 are both solid players. SB is horrible and will call any size bet with any draw or top pair with an uncoordinated board.

Turn: [T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checked. What should my action have been here?

I checked. UTG+2 bet $500. UTG+3 folded. SB called. What should my action have been here?

Ulysses · #2 03-22-2005, 04:59 PM

i would probably bet once more
but if i didnt, for sure
i would checkraise the turn allin
if they have a set, so be it, they win

AZK · #3 03-22-2005, 05:07 PM

Shocker there, I agree with diablo, great time for a turn check-raise all in.

More intersted in whether it's wiser to lead this turn or check-raise. At first I was thinking lead for sure, now I'm not so sure...anybody feel like talking about it?

FoxwoodsFiend · #4 03-22-2005, 06:38 PM

I support a lead as well. Any non-tricksy player on a draw in a 4-handed pot would probably check behind, and I don't want to risk giving up the free card.

fsuplayer · #5 03-22-2005, 06:03 PM

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i would probably bet once more
but if i didnt, for sure
i would checkraise the turn allin
if they have a set, so be it, suckout to win

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fixed it, diablo.

Jason Strasser · #6 03-23-2005, 02:49 AM

Out of curiosity, what hands is this solid player calling with?

Against fishy mcfish calling station sure shove that hand in there, but against both I'd think your value of the all in is not so high against the good player. This is why I would bet. The good and bad player can both call and raise with many hands you are crushing. I agree with bruiser that checking leads to a very uncomfortable spot, and I think the check raise all is not as optimal as leading out the turn. You also give the opportunity for some draw to get frisky against you and make you play for your stack on the turn. Once I bet the turn Im not folding a non-diamond river, and I'd be hard pressed to fold a diamond river.

-Jason

Ulysses · #7 03-23-2005, 03:33 AM

I already said I'd probably lead pot again. As for what he has, once he bets I think his most likely hands are QJd or QKd. Before the bet, he could have a multitude of hands which I don't want to give a free card to, which is why betting out is better. Having not done that, check-raising all-in is my next option given the descriptions. As Matt alludes to in his post, had she said "On the flop I am near 100% certain he has a set, so I plan to check-fold the turn," that would have been fine too.

MLG · #8 03-23-2005, 03:37 AM

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I already said I'd probably lead pot again. As for what he has, once he bets I think his most likely hands are QJd or QKd. Before the bet, he could have a multitude of hands which I don't want to give a free card to, which is why betting out is better. Having not done that, check-raising all-in is my next option given the descriptions. As Matt alludes to in his post, had she said "On the flop I am near 100% certain he has a set, so I plan to check-fold the turn," that would have been fine too.

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full lines of text are too much for me to comprehend, could you please break this information down into shorter lines, and maybe rhyme them?

Ulysses · #9 03-23-2005, 03:55 AM

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I already said I'd probably lead pot again. As for what he has, once he bets I think his most likely hands are QJd or QKd. Before the bet, he could have a multitude of hands which I don't want to give a free card to, which is why betting out is better. Having not done that, check-raising all-in is my next option given the descriptions. As Matt alludes to in his post, had she said "On the flop I am near 100% certain he has a set, so I plan to check-fold the turn," that would have been fine too.

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full lines of text are too much for me to comprehend, could you please break this information down into shorter lines, and maybe rhyme them?

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lost the muse man, nothing i can do. used it all up in the OOT vodka martini thread. sorry.

blingice · #10 03-23-2005, 07:52 PM

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I checked. UTG+2 bet $500. UTG+3 folded. SB called. What should my action have been here?

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So were you afraid of something here? I can't spot anything. I think that QQ is unlikely, and top two pair w/ no straight or flush possibilities I would definetely raise him. If he goes all-in, I guess he has TT or QQ.

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