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Old 06-10-2005, 07:20 AM
lacky lacky is offline
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Default Re: Very Standard Fold

can I see the non-hold back version? please?

Steve
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:05 AM
pooh74 pooh74 is offline
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Default Re: Very Standard Fold

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yes, i agree fully, that passing on BIG edges to preserve the bubble is bad. passing on small ones, quite good.

citanul

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That's it in a nutshell IMO too. In OP's scenario it would be very bad to fold...but this is not to say that preserving the bubble is always wrong...just here it is.
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:26 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Keeping him alive is not worth 1000 chips.

Yes, I am well aware that your EV on this hand is not 1000 chips, but that is still the relevant number here. Do you see why?

Ok, enough David Sklansky. If you call and lose, it's the same thing as if you would have folded, except for that 1 irrelevent chip. Therefore, we can ignore the possibility of you losing, and only examine when you win.

When you win, you win your opponents 500 chips, and you get to keep your 500. Thats 1000 chips.

If you think keeping those 2 players alive is worth 10% of all the chips in play, you are crazy.

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nice post. i agree with all of it.

(but it should be "keeping one player alive" in last paragraph, right?).
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:35 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Very Standard Fold

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You have no idea how much ive been hearing this since the article in SI came out.

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i feel like i'm very late on this, but what article in si?
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:09 PM
berya berya is offline
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Default Re: Very Standard Fold

"If you call and lose, it's the same thing as if you would have folded, except for that 1 irrelevent chip."

I think this one line says it all and why folding here any hand that looks like anything is almost criminal.
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