I'm a card mechanic.

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This guy is an idiot.

Why would you even tell anyone you can cheat, even online. What a stupid post.

I bet he was expecting everyone to say, wow, your so cool.

There is a difference between being cool, and trying to be cool.

[Iamafish]

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This can be done by stock shuffling. If you wanted a two card stock, you place the two desired cards on top, undercut about halfway, in-jog the top card, run two less than twice the number of players, out-jog and shuffle off. Then undercut to the out-jog, forming a break at the in-jog, run one less than number of players, in-jog and shuffle off. Undercut again to in-jog and throw on top. The desired cards will now come to the dealer in the first two rounds. This obviously has to be done with a hand shuffle which is maybe not common for most home games.
This can also be done with 3, 4, or higher stocks.

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This tells me you are a total amature...if not a BSer about working at a casino.

Quit acting like you know something.

Don't ever try cheating in a real game.

[Iamafish]

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Let this thread die already. Its really quite lame.

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Thats funny.

[Fins]

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Totally serious here - I cheated once playing strip poker. We had been drinking for hours and I don't know if she noticed or not, but I had aces up or better every hand the whole time. Does anyone think that it's unethical to cheat at strip poker?

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Hey if the gloves come off... all's fair in love & war.

- Fins

[randomfish]

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Using mechanical means to gain advantage, like baseball players juicing, marathon runners taking shortcuts, and poker dealers manipulating the shuffle, is cheating.

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So where does PokerTracker/PlayerView/PokerEdge/etc. fall?

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So where does PokerTracker/PlayerView/PokerEdge/etc. fall?

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It's obviously cheating [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[RunDownHouse]

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So where does PokerTracker/PlayerView/PokerEdge/etc. fall?

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In the same area as looking up a batter's average against lefties, studying film of your next opponent's favorite defense on third-and-long, and keeping track of how many service errors your opponent is making on any one day.

Public information is just that: public. By definition, there's no advantage available to anyone in public information.

[slydeni]

Give it up.

I am a magician, and am able to do many of the moves that could manipulate a card game. DONT CHEAT!!! Have some integrity.If you want to use the skills - take up magic and do it for entertainment purposes only! It is much more rewarding to do it for laughs, and maybe to impress gals than to cheat.

It says a lot about your character that you would consider trying this to cheat. STOP NOW and take up magic. You'll thank me.

sly

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I was really waiting for someone to break out the pokertracker/playerview cheat before I came into this thread.

Anyone who thinks that manipulating a deck of cards is any different than using a freakin' COMPUTER to track your opponents play and put hard, cold numbers within an eye-flick of the current action is fooling themself. The act is different, the result is the same... cheater gets the money.

If you're going to draw the line at mechanical manipulation then using a computer to gain an information edge is on the wrong side of moral. If you're going to play a square game, take the computer out of the equation.

I will personally continue to cheat like hell when it comes to pokertracker/playerview. I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that it's just "an extension of my memory" or "it's freely available to everyone". Lets face it, anyone with ambition and a little aptitude could learn how to cheat with a deck of cards or by capping chips or whatever.

[RunDownHouse]

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I was really waiting for someone to break out the pokertracker/playerview cheat before I came into this thread.

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In that case, welcome to page 5 of the thread.

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Anyone who thinks that manipulating a deck of cards is any different than using a freakin' COMPUTER to track your opponents play and put hard, cold numbers within an eye-flick of the current action is fooling themself. The act is different, the result is the same... cheater gets the money.

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I suppose you think that IBM's Deep Blue was cheating against Kasparov then, yes? I mean, it used numbers! In the blink of an eye! Oh, the horror! Because Kasparov wasn't able to compete, he must have been cheated!

Here's a question for you: if an opponent in a live game made a tally mark on a post-it every time you raised, would you call the floor because he was cheating?