Hand to Talk About

[Diplomat]

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Can someone please reproduce Webster's Definition of "Floater"?

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You could search the archives, particularly right after the last WSOP -- there are several attempts to define the Floater, as well as tangental discussions of the floater's contra, the Pounder. However, all attempts (including my own) fall short of a truely perfect definition. Really, the Floater must be seen, or better yet, experienced, to be fully understood.

-Diplomat

[turnipmonster]

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If you found yourself in one of the low limit games in L.A where almost everybody is in the pot even if it is raised, you can make a pretty good case for limping in and seeing the flop cheaply.

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is this a joke?

--turnipmonster

[andyfox]

"leaks are easy to recognize and hard to fix."

I'm not so sure about this. I'd say they're hard to recognize and a little easier to fix than they are to recognize.

[andyfox]

"As far as the turn goes, I don't think a weak-loose player bets into a field of six players here AND calls a flop check raise with a hand that he's going to fold on the turn 20% of the time"

Bingo.

[Clarkmeister]

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"As far as the turn goes, I don't think a weak-loose player bets into a field of six players here AND calls a flop check raise with a hand that he's going to fold on the turn 20% of the time"

Bingo.

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C'mon Andy. No one folds on the flop for one more bet in that spot unless the person checkraising them is a known super rock, and the loose ones don't fold even then. Doesn't matter what they have.

[andyfox]

The way Mason described the action and the players, unless the button is completely utterly clueless she's gonna call down 99.9% of the time here with a pocket pair and 100% of the time with an ace. And mslucky has now said she's played with the button a lot. That being the case, I might up the percentages to 100% and 110%.

[DanZ]

No. I pay no attention to such things as a matter of principle. But, when people behave oddly, or very aggressively, it's almost always because they are very waek or very strong.

Given this, I see no reason to raise the river with an ace.
You will never get an ace to fold, and you will have a hell of a time getting a call from anything less.

Dan Z.

[andyfox]

Great post, hope you stay here and contribute more.

My characterization of your play as definitely an angle shot was based on the description given by Mason. If indeed the other players had already folded (although I'm unsure how the other players' cards were "almost" in the muck), that is different.

[andyfox]

On its way to becoming one of the all-time greats.

[mike l.]

"I'd say they're hard to recognize and a little easier to fix than they are to recognize."

maybe when you get better and have less of them. ask me in ten years and im sure ill agree with you.