Stupid Bellagio

[Barry]

I've been away for a few days visiting my in-laws in New Orleans...

I don't know what proceded the request for a game, but I'm not Mason, but I do go to Vegas a few times a year and stay at the Bellagio.

I have always been treated pretty well by almost all of the staff that work the mid limit desk. (if Nate is the guy with the shaved head, he is the exception.) My wife plays 8/16 there and she is happy with the treatment that she gets.

I don't know, perhaps it's a more a matter of reaping what you sow.

Plus the 30/60 game there rocks!

[Clarkmeister]

I'm well aware of all these arguments. I don't think they hold water very well. But we can debate it next time I see you as I don't want to write an expose on it.

And the fact is that the fish prefer the no cap buy-in also. Wynn spreads more 2/5 games than Bellagio on a daily basis despite struggling to compete at basically any other game. There's a reason for that.

And the Bellagio issue is specifically the $200 buy in. It's a TERRIBLE amount for that game. 100x the BB is the bare minimum that should be alowed. If they allowed $500-$700, I don't think it would be an issue. $200 in that game is a joke.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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In particular, the terrible $200 max buy-in at the Bellagio has all but handed the no limit market to the Wynn. They don't get as many 10-20 games, but the 2-5NL game with no max buy in is a staple there.

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Absolutely true. Bellagio's $200 max game sucks. "Other problems" having to do with bellagio don't need to be re-hashed again here. Wynn's games are consistently kick ass. This includes both the 1-3 and 2-5 games, both of which I play regularly. I see 5-10 going fairly often, but I don't play that high, I'm mostly happy being a "big fish in a small pond." [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] In addition wynn uses $2 chips for $8-$16, which is the "ONLY WAY TO GO, AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE."

In addition, wynn has been a very pleasant place to play in virtually all aspects. Thusfar I haven't really found many things to complain about there*, and I never have trouble finding a game I want to be in either.

al

*well my aces got cracked once, but that was the stupid dealer's fault [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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How does allowing to spread things such as 4/8 Crazy Pineapple hi/lo w/ a full kill if there is room and interest a bad thing?

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If it is a regular game taht is fine. What happens if you spread a game that isn't normally spread is it pulls players from a regular game. When your regular players come in to play their regular game and it isn't there because some game started that won't be there tommorrow you have hurt the room.

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Although you have a "theoretical" point, I hardly think it will ever be as bad as this. Being flexible is good to a cardroom, but keeping a general set of regular games is also good. Moderation and good judgement, COMBINED with a need to please and flexibility are perhaps greater still to the long term health of a cardroom.

Take MGM for instance. We have magoo fest there. Sure, magoo fest only happens now and then, and we go TOTALLY against the norm of what they usually spread. But in the long run, they get TONS of publicity from it, many satisfied customers, plus many of us play a LOT at the MGM outside of magoo fest, including many of us that would play a great deal elsewhere (except for magoo fest). Funny, but their regular games last saturday night didn't seem to be "totally killed to the detriment and anguish of all" because of magoo fest's presence in the room. Rather about a dozen of us played all night, even after magoo fest ended. Hell, I went home to feed / take out my dogs, then went BACK to MGM in the middle of the night, along with four friends!

Did I already mention reasonableness and flexibility as being ASSETTS to cardrooms?

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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And the Bellagio issue is specifically the $200 buy in. It's a TERRIBLE amount for that game. 100x the BB is the bare minimum that should be alowed. If they allowed $500-$700, I don't think it would be an issue. $200 in that game is a joke.


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Yeah, $200 max sucks ASS, but then try adding the triple+ daisy-chained must-move system (nit jerkoff local A-hole heaven, from hell). "Horrid" just turned to a bucket full of lukewarm puke, rotting in the texas sun. Note the consistent LACK of my presence in that game. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

al

[Randy_Refeld]

Magoo Fest is a special event. It brought palyers in that wouldn't otherwise be playing so it shoulnd't hurt the regular games. In todays market there are more palyers to spread more games. I am thinking of the small room that breaks down at night or gets down to 1 or 2 games.

I learned this lesson the hard way when I was pretty new on the floor. A coupel of hours before our $1-$2 blind NL game was ready to start a very small (3) group came in and said they would go ahead and start the game if we added a 50 cent ante. I was seeing they want to play it and i have dealers and tables so I spread it. Now the regular players come in and I see the error of my ways. I went over to the table apologized, told them I made a mistake letting the game start, but starting next hand there would be no ante. Needless to say the 3 that came in and helped start the game were not happy, but I learned never to make that mistake again. If a large group comes in and wants to play a semi-private game hey can play pretty much whatever they want, but if a small group comes in and starts a game that is going to tthreaten a regular game they can't play it. A lot of people working in poker rooms today are not able to exercise good judgment as to which games should be started so they are given a set of rules to follow. When I started in tehis business I believed let the players play what they want, I have since learned that isn't the best way to do it.

[bigfishead]

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In addition wynn uses $2 chips for $8-$16, which is the "ONLY WAY TO GO, AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE."





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NO QUESTION !! I have said that for YEARS. Without $2 chips the game sucks in comparison. Why the hell LV casinos wont learn from Calif on these things is beyond me. If Mirage spread a 9-18 with $3 chips it would be a game TWICE as populated with fishies with pots 3x as big as the 10-20 they currently spread and would have multiple games lasting longer.