Freshly Played Hand

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Your equity regardless of position DOES change considerably if the turn brings a safe card. You're just not in a position to exploit it. Hence it's not worth forgoing the smaller edge on the flop.

[bambi]

cheiff has basically said everything i was trying to get accross, i suck at english and writing so sometimes my point isnt clear.

this hand is completely different if Zak wont raise AK/AQ here, but we have worked out and agree that he would.

So we need to push our equity egde while we have it.

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To put some completion to at least this portion of the post, here's the rest of the action:

I'm so embarassed to admit that I checked the river. I knew it was stupid when I pressed the button if that helps [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I check, Zak checks, MP3 bets, I call

MP3 has K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Here's what it looked like on the flop:

Board: 9h 8d 6d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 11.5172 % 11.52% 00.00% { AcKc }
Hand 2: 45.9579 % 45.96% 00.00% { TcTd }
Hand 3: 42.5249 % 42.52% 00.00% { KdJd }

So, in light of this, it's cap this flop if I get a chance to be played correctly FTOP wise.

On the turn it looked like this:

Board: 9h 8d 6d 6c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 09.5238 % 09.52% 00.00% { AcKc }
Hand 2: 64.2857 % 64.29% 00.00% { TcTd }
Hand 3: 26.1905 % 26.19% 00.00% { KdJd }

As mentioned by chief, position plays an important role in waiting for position to push a larger edge, and I can't do that here.

As to Soma's recent post, I can go with all three lines here. I think the best lines though are c/ring the flop and bet/3betting the flop, and I think it's quite close. I may actually prefer bet/3 betting though.

[chief444]

So your river mistake gained you more than you missed out on with your flop mistake...you lucky xxxx! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Good night.

[bambi]

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Ok then tell me this, if we have no equity on the flop or very small amount, that doesnt justify 3 betting, why are we leading into the preflop raiser, asking to be raised?

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So MP3 folds.

Thats an added bonus, but it doesnt change the fact that we think we are ahead and should 3 bet.



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Also i think the amount of time Zak has AQ AK here greatly out way they times he has an overpair, just on a combinations basis.

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It's difficult to count at the time, but there are more combos of pairs than overcards. 25 to 20 (TT+, AQs+, AKo).

correct i was wrong on this

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The thoery of waiting to the turn to see what fails as you have found out is completely wrong, as when you start playing high uncapped heads up pots.


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Please explain.

If you are playing heads up and the bets are uncapped, if you have a higher than 50% equity edge you should be happy putting in as many bets a spossible
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suppose you hold an OESFD, against a persons top and bottom pair,you want to pump this pot as you have equity, you cant say i will wait to the turn to pump it as if you dont hit, or he hits your equity goes down a hell of a lot, and you become a dog

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O Rly?

Board: Js Ts 2c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 48.4848 % 48.48% 00.00% { Jc2d }
Hand 2: 51.5152 % 51.52% 00.00% { KsQs }

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I dont understand, the OESFD is in front proving my point,

but have a look at the turn equity. when i blank hits

Board: Js Ts 2c 4h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.8182 % 31.82% 00.00% { KsQs }
Hand 2: 68.1818 % 68.18% 00.00% { Jc2d }


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Your equity regardless of position DOES change considerably if the turn brings a safe card. You're just not in a position to exploit it. Hence it's not worth forgoing the smaller edge on the flop.

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Thanks Entity. Chief helped me with this a few minutes ago. I've never thought about it before, so it's exciting to learn something new.

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cheiff has basically said everything i was trying to get accross, i suck at english and writing so sometimes my point isnt clear.

this hand is completely different if Zak wont raise AK/AQ here, but we have worked out and agree that he would.

So we need to push our equity egde while we have it.

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This post was valuable for me. Thanks for continuing to push your thoughts bambi.

[bambi]

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cheiff has basically said everything i was trying to get accross, i suck at english and writing so sometimes my point isnt clear.

this hand is completely different if Zak wont raise AK/AQ here, but we have worked out and agree that he would.

So we need to push our equity egde while we have it.

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This post was valuable for me. Thanks for continuing to push your thoughts bambi.

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No probs,

[ErrantNight]

Thanks Entity? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Entity]

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Thanks Entity? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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You're welcome.