I knew it...eventually a machine would take my job

[EdgePort]

I bet we have upped its winning percentage because no one is calling the all-ins.. If we didn't all go there and knew what it was doing, other people would call some of them.. and it would lose..

[Texas Pete]

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Meh.

Yugoslav

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Exactly what I was thinking!
Also on the subject of "the fish" and their reaction to bots. No one thinks they are a fish. I'm sure if you could take a poll, 90% of people would consider themselves above-average poker players (or traders, or drivers, or golf players, or whatever else they did regularly). I think many would be pleased to play a bot, because they would get the idea that they could figure out how it could play and take advantage of it, or routinely "bluff it out".

[Dead]

I do not understand the problem people on here have with robots. First of all, let me say at the outset that I have nothing to do with this robot and I have no idea who it is or how it works.

That said, I don't understand how it's cheating. It's not colluding, as far as you can tell, and it's not privy to any information that the other players on PartyPoker are.

I think it's rather ingenious, actually. While the guy is asleep, his bot is making money for him.

-Dead

[Phil Van Sexton]

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I do not understand the problem people on here have with robots.

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It violates Party's rules that you have to agree to when you sign up. It doesn't matter what we think.

Party busted a bunch of WinHoldEm users a while back by extending the poker client to take screenshots of your desktop (yes they can see everything on *your* desktop. Try to keep the porn to a minimum).

They will catch this guy if he is cheating since he is being so blatant about it. They might not take him down right away, but instead gather evidence before taking his bankroll. If they can't prove it right now, they'll find a way eventually.

[hate]

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If Party doesn't shut it down (how?), we can expect to see V 2.0 shortly. If it can do this well with such a rudimentary game, imagine how well it will do a year from now.


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Barriers in the registration process would be one possibility. I think I've seen the possibility mentioned of using a technique that you see pretty frequently on sites that host lots of downloads that are trying to keep you from robotically downloading everything they have. You put up a picture with a word in it, and ask the user to copy the word. Pretty easy task for a person, pretty rough for a computer. You could do this in the reg. process, or you could randomly do it every 10-15 minutes during the game. During the game would be problematic, I think, because what do you do if somebody fails in the middle of a tournament? DQ them on the spot? Seems very difficult to do fairly.

So I like your idea about the registration being the barrier.

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That technique about image recognition has proven to be faulty, even the more advanced ones have proven to allow image recognition software systems to recognize somewhere between 20 and 80% of the time. I'm not saying it's not a good barrier, it's just not foolproof. Even the toughest ones I was reading awhile ago are still recognized 4% of the time or so.

[Dead]

Isn't WinHoldEm the software that allows and encourages collusion? That's quite different.

Anyway, can you tell me a little more about Party spying on me?

They can actually see everything that I am doing on my computer while I am playing on there?

And do other sites do this as well? Or is it just Party and their skins?

[rohjoh]

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13 of 52 27%

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Here are updated numbers...
Player saabpo
Games played 67
Wins 22 (32.84%)
Losses 45 (67.16%)
Average value wagered $20
Players with better winning percentage 69198
Players with worse winning percentage 145246
$20 Table: 22 wins / 45 losses

[Hirez]

it flopped quads on me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[ilya]

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it flopped quads on me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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that's nothing, it straight-flushed me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[spentrent]

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it flopped quads on me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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that's nothing, it straight-flushed me [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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I called Fugitive's all-in with TT cuz I thought she was a bot.

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