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Old 12-26-2004, 02:42 PM
bobbyi bobbyi is offline
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Default Re: And finally some math.

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Also both hands has the same problems to be dominated as there are the same quantity of hands that dominate them.

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Eh? Every hand that dominates KQ (AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ) also dominates AJ, but AJ is dominated by JJ and KQ is not.
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Old 12-26-2004, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: And finally some math.

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That works out to 1.4%. Multiply that by 9 (the number of opponents in a 10 handed game), and you get 12.6%. Where am I going wrong here?

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It's already been pointed out that the multiplication is the problem, but I'll add a simple example that may help show why this isn't the right way to do the math:
Suppose six people each roll a standard six-sided. The probability for any single person of rolling a six is 1/6. If multiplication was the way to go here, we would say that the chance that any of the six people rolls a six is 1/6 multiplied by 6, which gives 1 (or 100%). But of course, it is possible for no one to roll a six. The actual probabilty is lower than what you get my multiplying because you are double-counting the times when two people roll a six, triple-counting the times when three people roll a six, etc.
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Old 12-26-2004, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: And finally some math.

I knew someone points this:-) And it's right in terms of domination's definition, even though AJ has nearly the same equity against AK-AQ, AA-JJ as do KQo and it's nearly 1:3 in SD.
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Old 12-27-2004, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: And finally some math.

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Though KQo has less SD value as stupid folks who call cold A5s and catch flush draw on flop and call to river win against unimproved KQo but not unimproved AJo.

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nice analysis.
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: You\'re wrong

But you will "always" be out of position without the lead with 3 streets to come.
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: You\'re wrong

But you will "always" be out of position without the lead with 3 streets to come.

Far better than being out of position with the lead in an aggro game.
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: Early position KQ, Party 15/30

Damn, all these guys playing KQo early and making money. I thought it was not playable in the first two positions. No wonder my VP% is so low. Just found Abdul's old pos ev page and if I'm seeing it right he advocates folding the hand in the first 3 positions. I know in my limited sample whenever I play it early I'm loosing money. So it's either muck the hand for me or as the saying goes "Play better" [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: Early position KQ, Party 15/30

Yes.
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Old 12-29-2004, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: You\'re wrong

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i never said i do not plat AQo for a raise when i am first in, i usually do. however, if there are a lot of callers and i am out of position in a raised pot (or out of position in any pot on every betting round), the expectation is not much, and with a lot of people in the pot in an aggressive game it might not even be positive. that said, i usually play it and play it fast.

again, i think most people do not think about position enough. being out of position on every betting round is a HUGE disadvantage.

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You need to work on your post-flop play.

Orange

PS - Are you related to Pokerhorse??
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:09 PM
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