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11-18-2005, 03:51 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] Here people are born into a situation where they have limited employment and almost no chance to escape to a larger market. [/ QUOTE ] Like communism? [/ QUOTE ] umm, communism is an economic ideal, not a situation involving people being stuck in limited markets. Your sloganering makes you look stupid 
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11-18-2005, 03:52 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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It doesn't matter if people are inherently selfish or not. All that matters is that people are not inherently selfless. I believe it's much easier to argue that people are selfish than it is to argue they're selfless. The only way a communist society could work or be justified as morally right is if every single person is selfless. This whole selfish/selfless argument is pretty silly anyway. I'm pretty sure most people would agree that almost no one is completely one or the other. [/ QUOTE ] You do realise that in a true communist state no one has to be selfless. This is because everyone benefits from the system.
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#74
11-18-2005, 03:57 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here people are born into a situation where they have limited employment and almost no chance to escape to a larger market. [/ QUOTE ] Like communism? [/ QUOTE ] umm, communism is an economic ideal, not a situation involving people being stuck in limited markets. Your sloganering makes you look stupid [/ QUOTE ] Duuuuuuhhhh. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#75
11-18-2005, 03:59 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter if people are inherently selfish or not. All that matters is that people are not inherently selfless. I believe it's much easier to argue that people are selfish than it is to argue they're selfless. The only way a communist society could work or be justified as morally right is if every single person is selfless. This whole selfish/selfless argument is pretty silly anyway. I'm pretty sure most people would agree that almost no one is completely one or the other. [/ QUOTE ] You do realise that in a true communist state no one has to be selfless. This is because everyone benefits from the system. [/ QUOTE ] Of course they do. If they're not then they'll feel slighted by not having control over the fruits of their labor, at least the smarter/stronger ones that have an incentive to not be limited to an average life will.
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#76
11-18-2005, 04:00 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here people are born into a situation where they have limited employment and almost no chance to escape to a larger market. [/ QUOTE ] Like communism? [/ QUOTE ] umm, communism is an economic ideal, not a situation involving people being stuck in limited markets. Your sloganering makes you look stupid [/ QUOTE ] Duuuuuuhhhh. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you'd like to discuss this topic in a legitimate way, im all for it. However, if you are going to be a [censored] then I'm finished and I'll just put you on the ignore list.
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#77
11-18-2005, 04:00 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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Modern psychology has proven that man is man is an inherrently selfish creature? I doubt it. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Because of your training in psychology or that it doesn't "feel right"?? [ QUOTE ] Your reference to evolution could be used to provethis worng in an instant, humans evolved to exist in groups, where they could work together in order to increase chances for survival. A selfish member would expose not only himself but the entire group to danger and would most likely be weeded out. [/ QUOTE ] Then why do these species still have cheaters and ways to catch them? And "working together" certainly does not mean "everyone is equal"
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#78
11-18-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter if people are inherently selfish or not. All that matters is that people are not inherently selfless. I believe it's much easier to argue that people are selfish than it is to argue they're selfless. The only way a communist society could work or be justified as morally right is if every single person is selfless. This whole selfish/selfless argument is pretty silly anyway. I'm pretty sure most people would agree that almost no one is completely one or the other. [/ QUOTE ] You do realise that in a true communist state no one has to be selfless. This is because everyone benefits from the system. [/ QUOTE ] Of course they do. If they're not then they'll feel slighted by not having control over the fruits of their labor, at least the smarter/stronger ones that have an incentive to not be limited to an average life will. [/ QUOTE ] First off they have control over the fruits of their labor, there is no government to tell them what to do. Secondly just because there is a collectivist system in place does notmean life will regress to a mediocre standard. that is a made up point by anti communists (as i have already stated)
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#79
11-18-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] Modern psychology has proven that man is man is an inherrently selfish creature? I doubt it. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Because of your training in psychology or that it doesn't "feel right"?? [ QUOTE ] Your reference to evolution could be used to provethis worng in an instant, humans evolved to exist in groups, where they could work together in order to increase chances for survival. A selfish member would expose not only himself but the entire group to danger and would most likely be weeded out. [/ QUOTE ] Then why do these species still have cheaters and ways to catch them? And "working together" certainly does not mean "everyone is equal" [/ QUOTE ] umm, i was referring to humans in my post, im not sure what species you are talking about, nor there various ways of catching "cheaters"
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11-18-2005, 04:10 PM
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Re: Modern arguments for communism?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter if people are inherently selfish or not. All that matters is that people are not inherently selfless. I believe it's much easier to argue that people are selfish than it is to argue they're selfless. The only way a communist society could work or be justified as morally right is if every single person is selfless. This whole selfish/selfless argument is pretty silly anyway. I'm pretty sure most people would agree that almost no one is completely one or the other. [/ QUOTE ] You do realise that in a true communist state no one has to be selfless. This is because everyone benefits from the system. [/ QUOTE ] Of course they do. If they're not then they'll feel slighted by not having control over the fruits of their labor, at least the smarter/stronger ones that have an incentive to not be limited to an average life will. [/ QUOTE ] First off they have control over the fruits of their labor, there is no government to tell them what to do. I'm not even disputing the ideal of communism. I'm (and others it seems) saying that it's impossible to get this largescale. Secondly just because there is a collectivist system in place does notmean life will regress to a mediocre standard. that is a made up point by anti communists (as i have already stated) [/ QUOTE ] You keep asking for other people to prove their statements but you just throw out these without any backup. Prove that mediocrity will not creep in and that it's just anticommunists making this up.
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