What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/ETC?

[SinCityGuy]

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Personally I would say that one have to make about 10K$/month in order to:
1. Have a decent living. 3K for house, car, schools for kids etc.
2. 3K for pension savings etc. I don´t want to live on the street when I retire.
3. 3K to build my bankroll.

Anything below this is not a life in my view.

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Very interesting.

Using that logic, about 85% of Americans are living in poverty.

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So you think 36K$ per year to provide for the family is a lot???!!!

First you have to separate the issues here.

Providing for the family if one has such is the very bottom line that one has to make playing every month. Then we have the pension savings for about 3K per month. I can accept that this could be on the very top, but as you don´t know how long you can work as a professional poker player I think its right to stash away as much as possible in the beginning of the career, say the first 2-4 years.

Regarding the bankroll. I strongly belive that one should regard the poker as a business and every business needs to make profit inorder to be able to invest in future business. But if you are confortable playing 1/2$ NL online and never stepping up its fine. However I think that if I ever was to try to go pro I would like to build my self a bankroll so that I could play on levels very I could make a decent profit every month and maybe not have to put in so many grinding hours as I have to do on lower level.

[ianlippert]

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So you think 36K$ per year to provide for the family is a lot???!!!


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I'd say it really depends on where you live. My parents combined income is $70K Canadian (probably $50K US) and we live a very comfortable middle class life style. Also if you are married $35K would be in addition to whatever your wife makes. I think anyone that has problems supporting a family on $50K/yr should really take a look at their lifestyle.

[SinCityGuy]

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So you think 36K$ per year to provide for the family is a lot???!!!

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I was referring to your figure of $10K of income per month. That's not great wealth by any means, but it's more than 85% of the people in this country make.

[Jesse Kidd]

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if you live off your poker earnings and have no other income youre a pro.

if you have multiple lines of income and poker is a significant portion of it you are semipro.



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I tried to address the same question on our Swedish forum a couple of month ago and got the same stupid answers as the one above.

It has irritated me that any one can be refered to as a PokerPro without any distinction on how much the are actually making playing poker.

What I think both Red Rain and I is asking for, Is at what level can one be considered to be taken as a serious PokerPro. i.e. not living out of mom.

Personally I would say that one have to make about 10K$/month in order to:
1. Have a decent living. 3K for house, car, schools for kids etc.
2. 3K for pension savings etc. I don´t want to live on the street when I retire.
3. 3K to build my bankroll.

Anything below this is not a life in my view.

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Ugh. No offense to the poster above, but...wow. The arrogance of that last sentence makes me cringe.

I've derived my income from poker for 2 years now, and I don't think the amount I make defines my job one bit.

Jesse

[MicroBob]

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Anything below this is not a life in my view.

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so most school-teachers and nurses in this country are not living 'a life'.


We're not talking minimum-wage here and that someone should be able to survive on $6/hr from McDonalds or Wal-Mart or as a janitor.

We're talking 'real' professions (as it were) where the typical salary is $50k or less....and we have people saying "it's not a life" or "I can't see how anyone can really survive on less" and things like that.


I think that if you use $100k/yr as a cut-off we are probably looking at less than 10% of the world's population...and I suspect less than 5%.


I've never made $100k in a year before.
I'm 34 years-old.
I don't believe I fall into the category of 'no life'.

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And those real professions are putting their salaries on stake every day?

[flair1239]

Does anyone else think the OP is dickish for challenging people to HU matches at Bars and Parties? Is this common behavior... just seems really dumb to me.

[RED_RAIN]

Umm, actually I only take people up when they ask, I don't go around asking others unless I think they would be interested. And yes, from what I see, it's common behavior. There is no reason for me to ask since no one will buck up and take it.

[Aytumious]

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if you live off your poker earnings and have no other income youre a pro.

if you have multiple lines of income and poker is a significant portion of it you are semipro.



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I tried to address the same question on our Swedish forum a couple of month ago and got the same stupid answers as the one above.

It has irritated me that any one can be refered to as a PokerPro without any distinction on how much the are actually making playing poker.

What I think both Red Rain and I is asking for, Is at what level can one be considered to be taken as a serious PokerPro. i.e. not living out of mom.

Personally I would say that one have to make about 10K$/month in order to:
1. Have a decent living. 3K for house, car, schools for kids etc.
2. 3K for pension savings etc. I don´t want to live on the street when I retire.
3. 3K to build my bankroll.

Anything below this is not a life in my view.

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You need to add a few K to cover the surgery that allows you to suck your own cock.