The Free Market - Page 7

Il_Mostro · #61 10-12-2005, 01:52 PM

And how was the free market involved?

tylerdurden · #62 10-12-2005, 01:55 PM

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And how was the free market involved?

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The free market isn't a force that induces things. It is the absense of force that prevents things.

Things don't happen because of the free market, they happen in spite of the fact that government didn't declare that they should happen.

When I say "the free market gave us XYZ" all that means is that the creation of XYZ was not dependent on some overlord.

Il_Mostro · #63 10-12-2005, 01:58 PM

Which brings us back to my original point, then. Pvn has a rather unorthodox view of what the free market is.

tylerdurden · #64 10-12-2005, 02:07 PM

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Which brings us back to my original point, then. Pvn has a rather unorthodox view of what the free market is.

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Really? I have the same view you just expressed:

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In my mind a "free market" exists when two, or more, parts exchange goods or services with each other without any interfering entity

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In other words, lack of coercion. What's unorthodox about this? The "problem" is that you want to think of it as an "institution" of some sort, whereas in reality it is precisely the LACK of any such institution.

Il_Mostro · #65 10-12-2005, 02:13 PM

No, I don't think of an institution. I think the market requires exactly what I wrote, people exchanging goods and services, not someone banging rocks together.

But whatever.

tylerdurden · #66 10-12-2005, 03:21 PM

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No, I don't think of an institution. I think the market requires exactly what I wrote, people exchanging goods and services, not someone banging rocks together.

But whatever.

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The *conditions* that exist in a free market allowed man to pursue his own interests. Fire was created in a permissive environment, not a centrally-planned one.

IIRC, this originally came up when you asserted that no great inventions had ever been developed in the absence of government interference. I countered with fire and the wheel. Do you really want to continue this?

Il_Mostro · #67 10-12-2005, 03:53 PM

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IIRC, this originally came up when you asserted that no great inventions had ever been developed in the absence of government interference. I countered with fire and the wheel. Do you really want to continue this?

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If I remember correctly that was not my wording.

But no, there is no need to continue this. I find your views strange and impossible to use as anything but a thought experiment. And I am glad I will never have to live in an anarcho-captialist world.