Maybe Silly but Good Hypothetical Question - Page 7

erby · #61 07-13-2005, 12:41 PM

so you're going to call pretty much any pre flop raise with any two cards that aren't QJ...so you're gonna fold on the flop if you don't hit trips or two pair or a big draw?

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Dov · #62 07-13-2005, 05:06 PM

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Even at .5/1, heads up, online, he could lose quite a bit of money in a short time.

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You think I don't know this?

Erby seems to think otherwise, though. I'm willing to test it with him, should he so choose.

BTW, no PM yet.

Dov · #63 07-13-2005, 05:10 PM

What makes you think that weak tight would be the way to play this?

Anything that looks threatening in terms of QJd can be bet, as can any flop that you legtimately connect with and quite a few that you don't.

You are the one who will have no clue what is going on in the hand.

Who says I can't take a QJd and bluff with it?

If I have 88, and bet the whole hand, you will have to call me down with AK UI.

Are you starting to understand your disadvantage yet?

BettyBoopAA · #64 07-13-2005, 05:12 PM

the question if for a full ring game, not heads up which greatly changes the dynamics of the game.

BettyBoopAA · #65 07-13-2005, 05:17 PM

what if there are 5 players in the pot and they all play like you have QJ but they don't know what the others have. Are they raising to isolate you or do they have a big hand.

Dov · #66 07-13-2005, 05:25 PM

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what if there are 5 players in the pot and they all play like you have QJ but they don't know what the others have. Are they raising to isolate you or do they have a big hand.

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If there are 5 players in the hand, and they all know that you have QJd, the pot has been raised, and no one's folded yet, you better have a real good hand.

They're not all trying to isolate you...

stokken · #67 07-14-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:You are an excellent player in a typical 10-20 holdem game that is worth one big bet an hour to you or about fifty cents per hand.

Not to insult anyone but
1. Do we have some reads on our opponents?
2. Are the oppononets aware of eachother knowing that they "know" your hand?

I believe that the number of hands played would not differ much as one would choose starting hands relevant to position and number of opponents, and important the quality of the opponents-knowing that that most hands are likely to get action
One would actually be playing two hands at once-the imaginary hand which can make you a winner and your real hand, if either seems to be winning and you know how to play the hands( after all one is an excellent player) profit must increase-imagine holding the nuts and no one is scared of u!Likewise folding should be easier if someone believes to have a hand that beats your imaginary hand if it has connected with the board, and your real hand is not strong and/or both your hands offer no signs of profit with the paly and flopp in question

The number of heads up situation should increase ex: u are in mp, folded to and choose to raise infact holding KK, the opponent behind u chooses to reraise calling your" bluff", which he could be doing with any two cards believing to be able to outplay u if the flopp doesnt connect with your imaginary hand, at the same time he would have to worry about the remaining opponents also joining in, knowing that they seemingly are playing one hand face up and one opponent( do all the opponents know that the other ones "know" your hand too?) If your opponents are not aware of eachother knowing they would most likely play their hands as before in multiway pots with regards to limpers raisers etc to their own preferences branding u loose, maniac fancy etc. If there are few to act behind u this play from your opponent would then be more likely, if there are many he has to take into regard the possibility of a stronger hand coming from behind.
Thus I believe that your strong hands from ep and mp should recieve more action and have two ways to win.
And the hands played from late position should have a higer value

All in all this must be ev pluss regardless; making the table more loose

The duration for the given situation would also be of interest, one could wait for the absolute premuim hand and nuts to make the most , but then again how often do they come around thus to be guaranteed profit less hands and more money, there should be some calculation possible here

Flame away!!!