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#61
05-06-2005, 11:56 AM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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[ QUOTE ] You aren't up against someone who has shown aggression [/ QUOTE ] In a situation like this, the fact he has shown no aggression means less than it usually does, IMO. Simply because I would think that it is more likely that this particular player wouldnt play his good one pair type hands aggressively at all. [/ QUOTE ] So you're telling me he'll bet Ace-high or King-high no-pair on the river? Because that's the only way that check-calling is ok. Rob 
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#62
05-06-2005, 12:27 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You aren't up against someone who has shown aggression [/ QUOTE ] In a situation like this, the fact he has shown no aggression means less than it usually does, IMO. Simply because I would think that it is more likely that this particular player wouldnt play his good one pair type hands aggressively at all. [/ QUOTE ] So you're telling me he'll bet Ace-high or King-high no-pair on the river? Because that's the only way that check-calling is ok. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think if this type of player bet when checked to, folding would probably become the best option.
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#63
05-06-2005, 12:31 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You aren't up against someone who has shown aggression [/ QUOTE ] In a situation like this, the fact he has shown no aggression means less than it usually does, IMO. Simply because I would think that it is more likely that this particular player wouldnt play his good one pair type hands aggressively at all. [/ QUOTE ] So you're telling me he'll bet Ace-high or King-high no-pair on the river? Because that's the only way that check-calling is ok. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think if this type of player bet when checked to, folding would probably become the best option. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I think check-folding is way > than check-calling. I'm seriously just thinking that this sort of opponent calls down with Ace-high. Rob
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#64
05-06-2005, 12:33 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You aren't up against someone who has shown aggression [/ QUOTE ] In a situation like this, the fact he has shown no aggression means less than it usually does, IMO. Simply because I would think that it is more likely that this particular player wouldnt play his good one pair type hands aggressively at all. [/ QUOTE ] So you're telling me he'll bet Ace-high or King-high no-pair on the river? Because that's the only way that check-calling is ok. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Actually I think if this type of player bet when checked to, folding would probably become the best option. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I think check-folding is way > than check-calling. I'm seriously just thinking that this sort of opponent calls down with Ace-high. Rob [/ QUOTE ] FWIW, I say check/fold, as I doubt he bets on a bluff. Yes, I think he calls down with ace high, but, I think way more than 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten.
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#65
05-06-2005, 12:52 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
FWIW, I can dig check-folding being the best option on this river, but I'm still debating where it falls in the:
check-folding > betting ? check-calling > bet-calling.
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#66
05-06-2005, 01:06 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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Yes, I think he calls down with ace high, but, I think way more than 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten. [/ QUOTE ] That doesn't by itself mean betting isn't best. This looks like a definite bet on the river to me, even though I agree that probably over 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten.
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#67
05-06-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, I think he calls down with ace high, but, I think way more than 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten. [/ QUOTE ] That doesn't by itself mean betting isn't best. This looks like a definite bet on the river to me, even though I agree that probably over 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten. [/ QUOTE ] To be honest, I never really thought about it. I just thought, "You open-limped on the button? [censored]-you, I bet."
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#68
05-06-2005, 02:08 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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05-06-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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IMO, the rank of river plans goes: check/fold > check/call > bet/fold > bet/call. The parlay of a) him having a worse hand and b) him calling with that hand is such that the river bet is -EV, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Bet-folding is better than check-calling, as you allow the opponent to check behind many worse hands that would call a river bet.
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#70
05-06-2005, 03:16 PM
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Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, I think he calls down with ace high, but, I think way more than 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten. [/ QUOTE ] That doesn't by itself mean betting isn't best. This looks like a definite bet on the river to me, even though I agree that probably over 50% of the time he calls, we are beaten. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. I think he'll call with some Ace and King-high hands and we can fold a few better hands as well. This guy could easily have some medium pocket pair and is being stubborn. Fire the third barrel and fold to a raise.
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