I'm a card mechanic.

[warewulf]

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I see no need to continue the arguement with you. It was not my intention to debate the righteousness of card mechanics. It is cheating and we all understand that.
The thread could have gone in a diffrent direction is all.
Seems some people are actually interested in learning a bit more about it, be it to protect themselves or otherwise.

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Of course, none of us are going to, in any way, justify what you're doing. We just want info on stopping people like you.

Most of the games I go to, the dealer doesn't handle the deck. It is shuffled by the last dealer, cut by a person in the middle, then handed to the new dealer. Is there any flaw in this system? Obviously if two are working together and can sit near each other. Any others?

[hoterdoc]

didn't you mean "too many insecure adolescenTS"?
or was it "too MUCH insecure adolescenCE"? (which makes less sense.)
doc

[smoore]

Here, felix:

http://cardshark.us/

he makes you pay for the more advanced stuff but some stuff is free.

And by the way, most people that actually pitch cards when they deal use the "mechanics grip". I guess the other grip is "can't deal for crap" grip. I couldn't pick anyone off because of the way that they hold the deck.

The different noise isn't when they shuffle it's when they second or bottom deal. There's a slight popping noise that goes along with the "swoosh" of the card coming off. Only way to hear this noise is to either bottom deal yourself or get someone like The_Tracker to do it in front of you over and over so that you learn it's sound. I doubt if most recording/playback equipment could capture the subtle difference. In a noisy card room I don't think I'd catch it.

The big, BIG way of spotting a mechanic comes when he's building his "runt". The runt is the small stub of cards the mechanic is planning on controlling and it's the most obvious action he will perform. He's got to get the 4 or 8 or whatever cards he wants seperate from the rest of the muck for just a second so he can organize them in relation to the deck. Some signs of this may include dropping the muck on top of other cards or putting a group of cards onto the muck. Anyone who isn't completely stupid would do this while the muck is still messy and not in a square deck.

I guess it's possible someone could "double duke" you in live play but MAN they would have to be good. Basically, they would build two runts; your hand and his hand. *Then*, he's got to deal from each of these runts while giving the other players cards from somewhere else. If he was good at building runts he could probably get four into A-K-A-K on the bottom so that you got the kings and he got the aces but that's not a lock win, just an edge.

I would think that if someone was going to cheat you in a home game they would probably use a cold deck (switch the shuffled one out for a stacked one). This slight of hand is pretty simple. An amateur will probably shuffle and then stretch, ending up bringing his hands under the table. That's when they switch them. Always keep the cards above the table, please.

edit: hey, The_Tracker... as a fledgling mechanic, do you think you could learn to double duke someone in a multiway game? i.e. two runts and then center deal for the rest of the people? That seems insanely hard but I can't even false shuffle well. I'm ok with straight bottom dealing but no expert.

[The_Tracker]

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edit: hey, The_Tracker... as a fledgling mechanic, do you think you could learn to double duke someone in a multiway game? i.e. two runts and then center deal for the rest of the people? That seems insanely hard but I can't even false shuffle well. I'm ok with straight bottom dealing but no expert.

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This can be done by stock shuffling. If you wanted a two card stock, you place the two desired cards on top, undercut about halfway, in-jog the top card, run two less than twice the number of players, out-jog and shuffle off. Then undercut to the out-jog, forming a break at the in-jog, run one less than number of players, in-jog and shuffle off. Undercut again to in-jog and throw on top. The desired cards will now come to the dealer in the first two rounds. This obviously has to be done with a hand shuffle which is maybe not common for most home games.
This can also be done with 3, 4, or higher stocks.

[RRRRICK]

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edit: hey, The_Tracker... as a fledgling mechanic, do you think you could learn to double duke someone in a multiway game? i.e. two runts and then center deal for the rest of the people? That seems insanely hard but I can't even false shuffle well. I'm ok with straight bottom dealing but no expert.

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This can be done by stock shuffling. If you wanted a two card stock, you place the two desired cards on top, undercut about halfway, in-jog the top card, run two less than twice the number of players, out-jog and shuffle off. Then undercut to the out-jog, forming a break at the in-jog, run one less than number of players, in-jog and shuffle off. Undercut again to in-jog and throw on top. The desired cards will now come to the dealer in the first two rounds. This obviously has to be done with a hand shuffle which is maybe not common for most home games.
This can also be done with 3, 4, or higher stocks.

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What the hell does all of this mean?

[walterberk]

it means he's really cool and can do card tricks so watch out for this [censored] next time you play your home game.

[XXXXING FISH]

solitaire

[ericslagle]

Totally serious here - I cheated once playing strip poker. We had been drinking for hours and I don't know if she noticed or not, but I had aces up or better every hand the whole time. Does anyone think that it's unethical to cheat at strip poker?

[wingsfan]

Don't ethics go out the windows once you're playing strip poker?

[Iamafish]

This guy is an idiot.

Why would you even tell anyone you can cheat, even online. What a stupid post.

I bet he was expecting everyone to say, wow, your so cool.

There is a difference between being cool, and trying to be cool.