Going pro Article

[DCWGaming]

Rotter you really need to start giving up some ground. You're sounding like a stubborn 16 year old who has stars in his eyes from watching too much WSOP on TV.

The fact of the matter is that if your primary source of income is poker, than you are a poker professional. Want proof? Here it is:

Dictionary.com definition of "professional"
1. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.
3. A skilled practitioner; an expert.

Its safe to say that online players fall under this definition.


As for our lifestyle being unhealthy, I dont know why your view on us is so skewed. Though there are a bunch of fatties who are playing poker and not seeing the sun, as you've seen on TV, there are plenty of fit players who qualify and play regularly online.

As for my personal daily schedule -
9am - wake up
between 9 and 12 - swim for an hour, and then breakfast if im hungry
12 - lunch
2 to 6 - 4 hours of poker.
6 to 9 - Dinner, and relax and watch a movie or tv usually
9 to 1 - another 4 hours.
Sleep.

On the weekends ill go out and do whatever. Frisbee, drink, etc.

I'm very far from fat.


Most of us who have the discipline to put in the hours by ourselves without a boss also have the discipline to keep in good shape and maintain our social lives as well. Why you arent believing us baffles me.

And if you're going to compare the skill of online players to B+M pros, just look at how many online players have been winning major tournaments recently. I'm not saying that online players are better, but we obviously hold our own.

At least concede that there are a large number of us that are maintaining healthy lifestyles through online play.

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And if you're going to compare the skill of online players to B+M pros, just look at how many online players have been winning major tournaments recently. I'm not saying that online players are better, but we obviously hold our own.

At least concede that there are a large number of us that are maintaining healthy lifestyles through online play.

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This is where I disagree. How many online players are there in the world or just here in the US? Millions? Hundreds of thousands? How many have won major tournaments recently? Less than a dozen? OK, let's say around 25 in the last year (I really have no idea of the actual number). See where I'm going with this? According to your odds online players should be filling up the money places in all major tournaments all the time but it isn't happening that way.

[PokerHorse]

Gosh, someone who agrees with me, im not sure how to handle it. lol just kidding.
the way to get rich playing poker is to play it part time and invest your profits into index funds or other long term vehicles. if you make 8-12k a year playing poker you can become rich over the years by putting it into solid long term investments. But playing as a pro you will unlikely ever have excess money, as you will always need to pay the nut plus have a large playing bankroll.

[PokerHorse]

ill bet you dont invest one cent of your profits towards retirement or investments. I wish you luck. If things chaNGE for you I hope youll come back to the forum and talk about those experiences as well. good luck

[LImitPlayer]

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While they sit and waste away at their PC's I'm out there at the B&M playing 100NL

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LOL you stick to your 100nl poker career and I'll stick to my "online gaming career" And go ahead and get all the free food you want with your "club card"

At the end of the week my career will have made me more money than yours ever will.

After you've spent 40 hours a week in the casino actually playing poker plus add up all the time you've spent driving there, and waiting to get on a table you'll have played what 1600 hands tops for a 45-50 hour plus work week?

I'll continue to play 12 tables of online gaming for 650 hands an hour and laugh as it took me 3 hours to acomplish what it took you more than 40 hours to do.

And on top of that I won't have to pay for gas, put the miles on my car, I'll pay less rake and get 30% of my rake returned to me each month as a bonus.

At the end of the month I guarantee you that my bankroll will have grown a lot more than yours, and I'll have put in a lot less time than you.

But what do I know? You play 100NL (What a joke)

[DCWGaming]

I didnt say internet players were better than B+M players. I said we hold our own.

The # of successful net pros is actually fairly low id imagine. A few thousand at most, id say.

Pit a B+M pro against a net pro in a bunch of heads up matches, the B+M pro will probably come out ahead. But that doesnt make the net pro not a pro. And it doesnt make him a pale fat degenerate either.

[Sniper]

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That's so funny. Don't try and be something you're not. Most of you online players are 250-500lbs of pasty skin flab. Sure, you may have a girlfriend - but she'll be the beached whale type so it doesn't really count. I'm really laughing pretty good at your weak attempts to sound like big shots.

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Was it your experience that the WSOP ME looked like a Overeaters Annonymous meeting?

[PokerHorse]

you play 12 tables eh? would you post your results since you must make at least a six figure income... right?
Tell us more educate us.

[LImitPlayer]

That is correct, I 12 table the 2-4 and 3-6 limits.

I have been 12 tabling about 3 months now, before that I was 8 tabling for about a year, as far as results go if it was any of your business, i would tell you. But even a trained monkey (i'm not insulting you here) can figure out the money I am making from rakeback alone is fairly close to the 50K a year figure that you say is damn near impossible.

About 3 months ago I started a thread on how to add a 3rd monitor for the sole purpose of 12 tabling, I was having some technical issues and was getting the runaround from a lot of different places.

Look it up if you don't believe me, and if you do not believe me I do not care.

Rakeback= 675 hand per hour x 30% rakeback (.03-.04 per hand depending on 2-4 or 3-6) =$20.25-$27.00 per hour on rakeback alone.

[DCWGaming]

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ill bet you dont invest one cent of your profits towards retirement or investments. I wish you luck. If things chaNGE for you I hope youll come back to the forum and talk about those experiences as well. good luck

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That bet sure would be some -EV for you.

Retirement? No, i dont have a retirement account. I'm 20 and worried more about investments.

Yes I said investments. You couldnt be more wrong in your assumption about that.

I'm lucky enough to have a father who knows the real estate business and teaches me how to reinvest my money to make it work for me.

I currently own and rent out 2 houses and joint-own 2 apartment buildings amounting to 20 total units. All of this was accomplished through poker profits. So far these investments have actually lost me some money, but because of poker, it is a hit i can easily take. Seeing as the market is in the gutter right now, once it improves (and real estate always does) the plan is to accumulate 100 units, bundle them together, and sell them to a cali or NY investor. They go apeshit over midwest prices.


I dont understand your "if things change" comment. You're saying that if I go bust I should come back and tell you about it? Ok... I'll make sure I do that.

I also dont understand why you take my success and spin it in a negative way. Your little retirement/investments spin has very little to do with the original post and seems to just be an attempt to knock me down a few pegs because I'm doing better than you are.

I've posted about my experiences many times. I teach friends how to do the same thing I do. There really is no secret aside from having the discipline to put in the hours day after day.

Since my return to the professional scene, i've completed 12k hands (in 4 days) and made close to 3k including rakeback and prop pay. I have been running fairly well, but I'd still be happy with even half that return.
Instead of my 6 straight hours, I split it to 2 separate 4 hour sessions with a 3 hour gap. The 6 hour session would tire me out, these 4 hour sessions havent left me fatigued at all.

So I repeat:
Just because you cant jump on the bandwagon, doesnt mean there isn't one.