Why do Jews Reject Jesus - Part 2 - Page 7

bossJJ · #61 07-22-2005, 01:08 AM

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All the proper conditions won't exist again until the messiah comes back.

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You are not answering my question. Since by your beliefs the messiah has not yet come, and thus had not come 2000+ years ago, how could the temple and sanhedrin existed then if they could only do so post-messiah? And if the answer is that God commanded their establishment back then, then how can you say they can only exist again post-messiah when there have been no additions to the hebrew bible since the last destruction of the temple to tell you so?

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It's not that they can exist only post-messiah. The bible predicted that the Temple would be destroyed, and that we would be without it for a long time, until the messiah comes. Just why is that so hard for you to understand? The Temple existed, it was destroyed, and the bible says that it won't be rebuilt until the messiah comes.

There have been no additions to the bible because we already have everything we need in it. It says what the real messiah will do. Why should we believe an alleged "new covenant" that contradicts our bible?

bossJJ · #62 07-22-2005, 01:11 AM

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What basis is there in believing that Judaism is the true religion?

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I have already answered that question many times, including in this thread. You apparently have a problem retaining information. Go back and re-read this thread.

bossJJ · #63 07-22-2005, 01:18 AM

Why don't you provide some evidence to back up your claims?

If Jesus really existed, how come no one from his alleged lifetime even noticed him?

My point was that even if he did exist, or even if it contains some correct historical facts, that doesn't prove that the gt is true or from God. Other "holy" books, as well as books of historical fiction, have some characters who really existed, and take place in real places.

Peter666 · #64 07-22-2005, 01:19 AM

I have done as you told me wise master.

You claim that Moses was talking to a burning bush, and then God revealed himself to 2-3 million people. What did He look like when revealing Himself? And please don't say a burning bush.

bossJJ · #65 07-22-2005, 01:25 AM

In Deuteronomy 5:19-21, the bible says that all the people heard God speak. This was when Moses went up to receive the ten commandments. They heard his voice, but did not see him. This was after the Jews were freed from slavery in Egypt.

The burning bush was a separate incident, which only Moses saw. That was before Moses went back to Egypt to free the people.

Peter666 · #66 07-22-2005, 01:31 AM

What language did he speak? And was it a manly voice or womanly voice?

bossJJ · #67 07-22-2005, 01:41 AM

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And incidentally, you need to reread if you think BluffTHIS (or any other Christian) is trying to say the OT isnt true.

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Their comments and questions certainly imply that it's not true. If that's not what they mean, then they should just get to the point and say what they really mean.

bossJJ · #68 07-22-2005, 02:05 AM

For anybody who is interested in learning about Judaism, here are a couple of good books:

"The Nine Questions People ask about Judaism," by Dennis Prager and Rabbi Joseph Telushkin.

"To Be a Jew," by Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin.

Jewish Apologetics:
"The Real Messiah? A Jewish Response to Missionaries," by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan.

"The Jew and the Christian Missionary: A Jewish Response to Missionary Christianity," by Gerald Sigal.

"The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity," by Hyam Maccoby.

"Why the Jews Rejected Jesus," by David Klinghoffer.

On the web:
Judaism 101

www.aish.com/

Jewish Apologetics:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/

Jews for Judaism

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html

PairTheBoard · #69 07-22-2005, 02:21 AM

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In Deuteronomy 5:19-21, the bible says that all the people heard God speak. This was when Moses went up to receive the ten commandments. They heard his voice, but did not see him. This was after the Jews were freed from slavery in Egypt.

The burning bush was a separate incident, which only Moses saw. That was before Moses went back to Egypt to free the people.

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And this story was written down how long after it supposedly happenned?

PairTheBoard

bossJJ · #70 07-22-2005, 02:22 AM

Non-Jews aren't required to observe Torah law, so there is no need for them to convert to Judaism, or even "believe in it". We believe that one doesn't need to be a Jew in order to have a relationship with God in this world or be with Him in the next.

Gentiles only need to follow the seven noahide laws. One of these laws prohibits idolatry. In worshipping a man (jesus) as if he were a god (or God), Christians are committing idolatry. OTOH, Muslims at least worship God, even though they have false beliefs about what He requires.