Gaza Baby Killers

[nicky g]

"there may be isolated instances of individual soldiers committing depraved acts, Israel does not have a policy of intentionally killing civilians."

I'm sorry but these acts are not infrequent; hundreds of people have died as a result of them and the IDF has made no attempt to do anything to the vast majority of these soldiers; indeed it has returned them to the field, where they can kill more civilians with impunity. If there is no intent to make any attempt to prevent such killings, inded attempts to facilitate them, then the intent is to allow such killings.

Furthermore while there is no declared policy of targetting civilians, I would not be remotely surprised if there were an unofficial one. Israel proudly resorts to illegal collective punishments in terms of destroying homes, closures and so on. It is not a big step to extending that punishment to collectively punitive killing. The man in charge of the IDF sent anti-Palestinian lunatics named after a fascist organisation into a refugee camp, lit it up with flares and ordered his soldiers not to let anyone, including women and children, leave for three days, despite an obvious mass slaughter going on inside. He had phosphorous shells fired at hospitals. His unit wiped out an entire village. Why would anyone believe that an army headed by such a man had any qualms about deliberately murdering more civilans.

"If the Palestinians were the greater military power, they would have murdered all the Jews in the region long ago. "

If that is the case, why didn;t they murder all the Jews in Jerusalem, Hebron etc prior to the founding of Israel? They had plenty of opportunity.

[elwoodblues]

Assuming everything you said is true, that still doesn't answer the question of why you place the burden on PALESTINIANS to require no anti-semitism for ALL arab nations.

It looks like the more you're talking the less you're saying on this topic.

[Gamblor]

Assuming everything you said is true, that still doesn't answer the question of why you place the burden on PALESTINIANS to require no anti-semitism for ALL arab nations.

Because, as the Palestinians themselves claim they are part of a team, and work in conjunction with, all Arabs, Muslims, and Arab nations, to defeat "the Jews". After all, as the post above claims, an act of aggression on a Palestinian Arab is the same as an act of aggression on the entire Arab/Muslim world.

Therefore, it would be futile to consider that 6 million Jews, in an area the size of New Jersey can realistically threaten 300 million Arabs, no matter how much money the US loans them. The 6 million "Jews" in the Middle East are clearly on the defensive in this kind of war, and the 300 million Arabs can only be the aggressors.

[Gamblor]

If that is the case, why didn't they murder all the Jews in Jerusalem, Hebron etc prior to the founding of Israel? They had plenty of opportunity.

They tried their damndest in Hevron and in Jerusalem, but never had the military superiority. The hatred was only simmering in the early 20th century. It took Haj Amin el-Husseini and his nephew Arafat to really get the blood boiling.

[nicky g]

"Jerusalem, but never had the military superiority"

What, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians never had the military superiority at any point prior to the foundation of Israel to kill a ccouple of thousand undefended religious Jews? Rubbish.

[Gamblor]

They never had a problem with Jews until there were more than a few thousand of them.

Then the riots began.

[daryn]

black people had crosses burned on their lawns, got beat up walking down city streets, had to go to separate schools, etc...

we should have made a new country, blackatoria, where all blacks can go and feel safe, right?

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black people had crosses burned on their lawns, got beat up walking down city streets, had to go to separate schools, etc...

we should have made a new country, blackatoria, where all blacks can go and feel safe, right?

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If legislation had not emerged to criminalize such behavior, and public perceptions had not changed, and if the government still sanctioned such practices...yes. The USA changed and changed its laws. The Palestinians show no intention or ability to do either in any meaningful manner, and the Middle Eastern Arab states still have many grossly discriminatory laws on the books. Matter of fact not only Jews and Christians are discriminated against in other Arab countries: Palestinians in Israel even have more rights than Palestinians in all Arab states except Jordan. Palestinians can't even own land or become citizens of more than a few Arab states. Overall, we're talking Backwards with a capital "B". If the USA had remained in its previously backwards state I would have said the blacks had every right to demand or take a portion of the country as their own country. But it didn't, and now blacks have even more rights than whites in this country and no longer suffer substantially from discrimination. Think the equivalent could happen anytime soon in Palestine, or even in the greater Middle East? I sincerely doubt it. Their societies are far less tractable to reforms.

[Gamblor]

That's my point.

If black people are persecuted because of their "blackness" in the United States, they are among their people in Africa, who can discriminate based on the proper criteria - i.e. wealth [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img].

In all seriousness, my point was as follows: This kind of situation shouldn't exist in the first place. It is the persecutors' fault, not the persecuted. And the Jews throughout history are far more of the latter than the former, and it is the Arab nations who persecuted Jews, leading to the mass exodus of almost a million Jewish refugees from Arab states to Israel in 1948. Israel accepted those Jews and it's over.

But the Palestinians fester in camps because the exchange was not accepted by the Arabs who only would expel Jews and not accept Arabs - in other words, they hate Jews more than they love themselves.

[Gamblor]

What he said.