Preflop bluff turns into money by the river

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Next, I'm going to try to fully explain my opinion on everything that anyone may question or dislike here. If you disagree with me, that is what these forums are all about. I'll happily discuss the hand and my theories.

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I don't think repeateing everything again is going to get people to change their minds

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Because of the LAGgishness of the preflop raiser, and the tightness of the known players behind me (Button and BB specifically), I felt this was a good opportunity to isolate a LAG who shows weakness postflop.

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You're out of position to a known calling station that if calling three bets is way ahead of you preflop. 67s is a decent drawing hand, not a go to town heads up hand. There are still enough people behind me that if I were to try and isoalte with this hand, but still got called, I would be worried, especially with the giant whiff on the flop.

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Since a non paired starting hand will whiff 2 out of 3 times, I felt like I would be a 2:1 favorite postflop.

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You were planning on spending 8 dollars to win 15 dollars (your three small bets preflop plus one on the flop). This right here shows that even if your 2:1 calculation is correct this is a negative ev play. This is also taking into account that all four people behind you fold to your three bet, which will not happen enough at this low of a limit.

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In addition, because of the relatively small chance that one of the 4 players still behind me (I was MP3 here), would have a hand that could call the 3 bet, I felt the isolation play had about a 90% chance of success. Let it be noted that, after some number crunching, I was way off on the 90% that I estimated. As long as I was at least a 2:1 favorite to get all 4 players behind me to fold, I would still make this play.

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Most of this didn't make sense to me and I would like to see what numbers you used to come up with these odds.

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Finally, I thought my table image at this point would help my play.

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Sadly, as much as even I would like to think table image is a factor at the 2/4 online, it is not. There is nothing wrong with sticking to ABC poker online as you will make quite a bit of money in the long run. Most people playing several tables, reading, surfing the web, looking at porn while they play online. They're not concerned a whole lot about how other play and are only looking at their cards.

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On the flop, with 10 bets in the pot, I am checked to. I feel I have some small amount of folding equity... very little thanks to the King and 2 spades on the flop. But, I follow through with the plan. As expected, MP2 folds. Unfortunately, Button has a hand. Oh well, I lost 2 BB on this hand.

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Massive whiff with a calling station who just called three cold behind you. You are now three handed holding 7 high with nothing but runner runner draws which with the calling staion behind you is the only way you are going to win this pot. This is a clear check and fold.

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Turn gives me new life. As discussed, I bet. Kailla says I should check/call here with no real folding equity. I think either play gives the same result, the only difference is the 1% chance that I MAY have folding equity here.

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This card is actually bad for you because now you're putting more money into a pot that you don't have the propper odds to be doing so and are now throwing more money away.


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River is the easiest part of this hand.

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River is fine.

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As to the results. There are two different results that I think should be part of this discussion. The hand results and the loose calls and extra action I got after this hand at this table. I think the extra action I got shows that people pay attention, and that it means something not only to vary play, wherever in the hand you think you should do it, but also to show down a bluff or two early at a table. In any case, the seats behind me were tight before this hand, but they did a bit more coldcalling and playing against me after this hand. So, getting to show down the 76s that I three bet with was the best advertising I could have had. It would have been worth it if I'd completely whiffed the whole hand and showed it down.

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Personally, I don't want people who act behind me loosening up. I absolutely HATE being out of position. Life is good when you have the button and in the long run more money is going to be made that way. This to me is actually a bad thing, but it may only be a personal preference.

As for the hand results, for those who care (I usually don't when I'm reading other's threads), I will post Button's hand in white on the next line.
<font color="white"> Button had KK for a set of Kings. I agree that I was very, very lucky. </font>

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I'm going to go back to my original statement about the check and fold on the flop. You are very very lucky that he did not punish you for being in this hand. The Ks played this had about as bad as they come for a pair of Ks. I'm going to agree with an earlier poster that if you hadn't won this hand this post would have never happened.

As a side note. I'm am also a winning player that had started at the bottom playing .25/.50 limit with a 100 dollar bankroll working my way up to the 10/20 limit games. I am not claiming to be a great poker player, but I like to think I know what I'm talking about some times.

I hope this helps.

GP

[Joe Tall]

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As for the spewing/getting bored posts... am I the only one who varies their play? I don't play ABC poker all the time, otherwise it is too easy to play against me.

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Just pick a +EV situation to do it in and 3-betting w/76s isn't one of them. Raising on the button after limpers w/98s, or from the cutoff w/J9s after 1 limper, etc.

[Borodog]

What Entity said.

[ErrantNight]

i think we've hashed out most of our issues. but if you think this lag will lay down a big pocket pair against single overcards because he's made lots of laydowns before postflop i think you're very wrong. but whatever.

well, that, and the fact that whatever my tone (and whatever tone i perceived that led me to respond in such a tone)... i have offered numerous specific, well-reasoned points as to why your preflop play, and play on the first two streets, was very, very wrong. if you'd like to pretend like that didn't happen, fine, i really don't care anymore. if you'd like to believe your only mistake was betting the flop against a calling station, fine.

g'luck, and peace.

[olavfo]

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Finally, I disagree with you about varying preflop play. I think that is a very common error. If I do nothing but 3 bet with AA, KK, QQ, and AK, then I won't get a whole lot of action postflop.

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Wrong. You're playing 2-4, not in Bellagio's Big Game.

Using -EV plays for deception can be costly against opponents who don't pay much attention to how you are playing anyway.

I agree that one needs to be able to think outside the box and take advantage of opportunities, but what you did here was just too expensive. You paid 3 bets preflop with a weak holding that doesn't do well short handed. If you wanted to isolate and outplay with semi-trash you could have played Ax or another hand with at least some showdown value.

And I don't think you would have posted this hand if you hadn't gotten lucky.

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I don't think middle suited connectors are the type of hand you want to isolate a LAG with. You need hands with high card strength and showdown value (UI).

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I agree, that, in general, you don't want to do this. However, there are times when situations like this are favorable and this is one of those situations. Slightly -EV immediately, definitely +EV long term just from the play variance and action you'll get later from people seeing this play.

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Yeah, I see you making up a TON of value later on, especially online. I never forget a username.

Edit: Your flop play was bad. The K and suited T hit a lot of a pf cold-caller's and an open raiser's range.