I'm very sorry

[Mat Sklansky]

Absolutely. In fact they are welcomed. However, if someone presents them in a nasty fashion and then threatens to never post again if any one of their posts is ever deleted, I'm less likely to view the criticism as constructive.

Here's another thing about last night's deletion. I deleted the thread before I looked at the person posting. I didn't realize until after that it was a "celebrity"

When I did, that's when I made the post linked to above.

[Sykes]

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"The comparison to Hitler, Hitler youth, and anything else Nazi related is overused by society but I have to say this is one example of it being a just comparison."

What is the probability Paul Phillips agrees with that statement?

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0%

From his site:

"I like nazi references in contexts like this; they make me laugh. The word has been so abused since WWII that it's not like it's useful for meaningful comparisons anyway."

[zipo]

>>Paul, we are considering granting your wish of never allowing you to post here again. You need to appologize, first to us privately, and then to the forum.<<

I wonder what kind of person would abase himself in this way just to remain a 'member' of the 2+2 'community'.

Seems to me there is something deeper going on here.

I'll probably get sitebanned for making this observation. So be it.

[Sykes]

[ QUOTE ]

Here's another thing about last night's deletion. I deleted the thread before I looked at the person posting. I didn't realize until after that it was a "celebrity"

When I did, that's when I made the post linked to above.

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I call bs on this one. That's utterly impossible.

And I don't see why we can't express our dislike for certain poker players here. They want tv time? Then they should get the stuff that comes with having it, the good and the bad.

[davehwm]

What a joke.

P.S. I just have to ask, why hasn't the original post been deleted yet?

[wayabvpar]

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It was just one moderator: me. What happened here is not about multiple moderators. This forum has one: Dynasty. I am the only other person who might take action here. So people can direct their anger and disappointment at me.

My explanation

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I wasn't referring speficially to this incident, although I don't think Paul's post was over the top (his reply was, but that was obviously his intention). I am talking more about the climate of the entire site, where each moderator has a different set of rules about what is allowed and what is not.

I am a moderator for another internet site, so I like to think that I have some understanding about how things work. Things like spam and pornography should always be prohibited (and they are), but other than that, it is a crapshoot as to what each forum 'allows'. Oftentimes the denizens of the particular forum encourage or goad the moderators into actions that aren't always fair or equal.

In almost all cases, moderators should be nearly invisible. Some of the newer moderators here (on the site, not the TV poker forum in particular) are treated like rock stars, and they may feel they have to be flamboyant while performing their duties to keep their fans happy. This is where a lot of my unease and disappointment is generated.

[maryfield48]

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It was just one moderator: me. What happened here is not about multiple moderators. This forum has one: Dynasty. I am the only other person who might take action here. So people can direct their anger and disappointment at me.

My explanation

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Mat made a slight error and owned up to it fully. People should respect that and not look as it being more sinister than it is. And while I am a fan of Paul's - and linked to his blog - and I believe that poker pro's should be more welcomed here than they are by many board members - I don't think it's right for him to insult 2+2 or call Mason names.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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The "slight error" admitted to by Mat was deleting the whole thread instead of deleting the OP and some of the replies. For those who believe the OP was undeserving of deletion, there was a larger error.

The criticism in the OP was blunt but not unreasonable, in my opinion. These are always subjective matters, of course. But for Mat to factor in the 'threat' to leave 2+2 if a post or thread is deleted seems to me just spiteful. It may be a bluff, a rhetorical device, or a sincere sentiment. In any of those cases, what makes it so offensive?

[Sykes]

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>>Paul, we are considering granting your wish of never allowing you to post here again. You need to appologize, first to us privately, and then to the forum.<<

I wonder what kind of person would abase himself in this way just to remain a 'member' of the 2+2 'community'.

Seems to me there is something deeper going on here.

I'll probably get sitebanned for making this observation. So be it.

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Exactly, This seems like an April Fool's joke except it's not even close to April. Plus why would Paul apologize when he can keep on making accounts? Even if you IP ban him, I'm sure he can find a way around that.

Seriously, if Paul wanted to, he'd become a massive troll here and there really wouldn't be anything you can do about it.

[Sponger15SB]

[davehwm]

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In almost all cases, moderators should be nearly invisible.

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Yes. Dynasty should not be making comments like, "Three more suspensions..". The rules should be clearly stated in the forum FAQ/Rules and that is it. A moderator should be deleting posts and contacting the offender individually, not making it a public spectacle, IMHO.

Edit: I moderate on two other, rather large sites, with multiple moderators. If you guys want any tips, feel free to PM me.