Abortion = less crime? - Page 6

Meech · #51 09-30-2005, 04:53 PM

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I believe I already consented that supporting the death penalty is wrong.

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I wasn't speaking of you personally. I don't have statistics to prove this out, but I would be completely shocked if the majority of pro-lifers were not pro death penalty. I was speaking to the moniker as it applies to the movement. Pro-Life is not accurate, IMO. Anti-Abortion is.

Perhaps it's just a personal pet peeve of mine. I'm not fond of this constant renaming and remarketing of the same old crap. Creationism -> Intelligent Design? Again....

#52 09-30-2005, 04:56 PM

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If they are-indeed human beings with rights -- shouldn't they have full rights?

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It is difficult to say anything 100% before Roe v Wade would be overturned, but I believe that the ati abortion group would say that they have full rights as humans. How far this would go with regards to kickboxing, I'm not sure [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Meech · #53 09-30-2005, 05:08 PM

So if somebody went to another country for an abortion, they should be prosecuted for murder upon their return?

If somebody told a friend they were considering an abortion, should there be a goverment hotline? Should she be be imprisoned for the full term of her pregnancy?

If you have a pre-natal test that indicates there is a 99% chance that your child will be massively deformed and retarded -- by government mandate the pregnancy should continue to term?

I dunno man.

I think that the mother has some rights here. I believe that an embryo is a potential human being.

Malachii · #54 09-30-2005, 05:14 PM

Of course abortion will result in less crime. Those that are getting aborted are the ones that would be living in households that are struggling financially... if the parents really wanted the child, they wouldn't try to abort him in the first place. Kids that are unwanted and are from poorer neighborhoods are obviously going to have more of a predisposition towards crime.

By the way, I don't see why the Democrats (or media in general) is giving Bush's education secretary so much [censored] for saying that aborting every black fetus in America would result in much less crime. He went on to say that this is absolutely morally reprehensible, and I agree with him on both counts. It is morally reprehensible, but there is also considerable statistical evidence to prove that blacks are more predisposed towards crime than other ethnicities.

Malachii · #55 09-30-2005, 05:14 PM

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They forgot to abort republicans. Wouldn't this be less crime as well?

Tom Delay, Carl Rove, The Enron People, Bill Frist, ect...

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Malachii · #56 09-30-2005, 05:15 PM

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Why don't we just execute petty criminals as well. I mean, they are more likely to commit more serious crimes than someone who has not been convicted of a crime.

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This is just stupid.

#57 09-30-2005, 05:16 PM

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So if somebody went to another country for an abortion, they should be prosecuted for murder upon their return?

If somebody told a friend they were considering an abortion, should there be a goverment hotline? Should she be be imprisoned for the full term of her pregnancy?

If you have a pre-natal test that indicates there is a 99% chance that your child will be massively deformed and retarded -- by government mandate the pregnancy should continue to term?

I dunno man.

I think that the mother has some rights here. I believe that an embryo is a potential human being.

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As bad as it makes me look, I have to say I'm not sure on this. Having only gone through 4 weeks of college, my education can be considered minimal at best. However, as sure as you are of one thing, that an embryo is a potential human, i am just as sure that it is a human and should be treated as such. Perhaps this does mean that all the above things you stated will happen, maybe not.

#58 09-30-2005, 05:22 PM

You are of course talking about an innocent human being versus a convicted murderer, thats not really too hypocritical to be in favor of saving the life of the innocent and executing the convicted murderer.

On the flip side, it is the generally the people who want to save the life of a convicted murderer (because why?) that favor allowing mothers the choice to kill their babies.

I am against both, personally.

Meech · #59 09-30-2005, 05:52 PM

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You are of course talking about an innocent human being versus a convicted murderer, thats not really too hypocritical to be in favor of saving the life of the innocent and executing the convicted murderer.

On the flip side, it is the generally the people who want to save the life of a convicted murderer (because why?) that favor allowing mothers the choice to kill their babies.

I am against both, personally.

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You are making an assumption that the court system accurately determines guilt in death penalty cases 100% of the time. I think the people who have been vindicated and released from death row kinda disproves this.

If an innocent life/fetus deserves not to be killed, innocent people wrongly convicted of murder equally deserve not to be killed.

Meech · #60 09-30-2005, 05:56 PM

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As bad as it makes me look, I have to say I'm not sure on this. Having only gone through 4 weeks of college, my education can be considered minimal at best. However, as sure as you are of one thing, that an embryo is a potential human, i am just as sure that it is a human and should be treated as such. Perhaps this does mean that all the above things you stated will happen, maybe not.

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As all good and fuzzy as "I support life" sounds -- it's a tricky issue. One that won't be solved in my lifetime, that's for sure.