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09-07-2005, 03:58 PM
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Long-distance from Austria
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I don't now where you get the idea that only elected or appointed leadership can provide this, because what we've seen from elected and appointed leadership is disorganized, unconcerted, and half-assed effort. <font color="white">. </font> These arguements are the same used by those who wanted command economies. [/ QUOTE ] You are jumping to conclusions. Plus, you seem to be somewhat short-term-results oriented in your thinking: Agencies failed N.Orleans --> All agencies are doomed to fail. Is that typical of Rothbard fans ? Anarcho-capitalism has things almost right. But it's a big "almost". Its fans have a healthy antipathy towards state and government leviathans but they go overboard when they project an economic theory onto every single aspect of life. Catastrophes such a hurricane 5 passing through a city can be dealt properly only with an organised and concerted effort by the endangered society. Free market has nothing to do with it. It's actually quite irrelevant. "Command economies" are indeed much worse performers than "free economies" but a social emergency cannot be solved by no damn Invisible Hand! That's not even Economics, that's Astrology. 
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#52
09-07-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Long-distance from Austria
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Catastrophes such a hurricane 5 passing through a city can be dealt properly only with an organised and concerted effort by the endangered society. [/ QUOTE ] No, what you need is useful, productive, effective effort. Organized and concerted effort is not necessarily any of those. Do not confuse effort with results - that's dangerously close to the labor theory of value. [ QUOTE ] Free market has nothing to do with it. It's actually quite irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] The free market is more than just the buying and selling of goods in mundane, day-to-day trade. It is the whole of individual interactions of all types when those individuals are unhindered by government dictatation. [ QUOTE ] "Command economies" are indeed much worse performers than "free economies" but a social emergency cannot be solved by no damn Invisible Hand! [/ QUOTE ] Why not? There is a distinct need. There are finite resources (both labor and material) to be consumed. These resources have alterative uses. Why is a top-down allocation of these resources so right in this situation when it's so wrong every other time?
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#53
09-08-2005, 12:42 AM
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Talk To The Hand
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[In catastrophes such a hurricane 5 passing through a city] what you need is useful, productive, effective effort. Organized and concerted effort is not necessarily any of those. [/ QUOTE ] I have no problem with your choice of terms. Alright, we are both after "Useful, Productive, Effective" in combatting the devastation of something like a hurricane 5. I say let's prepare ourselves & society for it in an organised and concerted manner. What do you say ? [ QUOTE ] The free market is more than just the buying and selling of goods in mundane, day-to-day trade. It is the whole of individual interactions of all types when those individuals are unhindered by government dictatation. [/ QUOTE ] We have a lot to talk about what a "government" is supposed to be in a democracy. And how we go about having one. Having a government is the starting point, not the end point or a "social condition". It is the central issue on socio-economics; all others are peripheral, consequential. A free society does not mean simply laisser faire, laisser passer. [ QUOTE ] Why [can we not solve a social emergency through the Invisible Hand of the free market]? There is a distinct need. There are finite resources (both labor and material) to be consumed. These resources have alterative uses. Why is a top-down allocation of these resources so right in this situation when it's so wrong every other time? [/ QUOTE ] For the record, I do not have in mind anything like a "top down". As I said, we have a lot to talk about "government". But can you please be specific? All those generalities are well and good but please explain, in detail, how the Invisible Hand of the Market should be allowed to deal with a natural calamity such as Katrina's. (I am saying, by the way, that the Hand has already dealt with it. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img])
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