30/60 yearly income

[astroglide]

i wouldn't move up if i were pulling 80k out of the party 30 game every month

[Lawrence Ng]

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i wouldn't move up if i were pulling 80k out of the party 30 game every month

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Aye, the increased variance compared to the marginal gain in BB/100 or BB/hr would be quite the deterrent.

Lawrence

[DcifrThs]

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EV (for the year) on cash game players is 7 figures. 5-25 in the whole online community is not a big number, but then again, who am I to come up with that number?

I know in my games I would guess 2-10 guys can do it, and I'm pulling a number out of thin air for the rest - the top 1-2 MTT players, the top 2-8 NL ring game players, etc...

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7 figures? 2-10? i can count right now on my hand 3. and i dont know anybody. ok, well its 100% 2, 85% 3 so close enough. but seriously, bk, who do "we" know...the online community is much larger than those sites. with party opening up the 1/2 nl, there's a few there who can maybe maybe pull it off w/ other sites as well.

plus there's the folks from sweeden who have their 30/8/2 game going for them pulling 3bb/100 according to notes files so if they keep that up they only need about 550k hands to make 1mil. there's 4, maybe.

id feel alone in the universe if more people weren't making 7figures. but i do know from experience how effing hard that would be to a) play that well that consistently, b) have the right games going for you all the time, and c) put in those kinds of hours. but if you have a 1 mil goal. go to it.

ive reached my goal for the year and its not even remotely close to a mil. school is starting up soon so now i just gotta get as many 8 table 30 sessions in as humanly possible.

-Barron

[DcifrThs]

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At what point does it become impossible to multitable and win. I'm 4 tabling 1/2 right now and basically play ABC vs the fish, but from what I've seen watching the higher games (5/10 and up)I really couldnt see myself able to win at these tables by just playing ABC. Are the players at these levels really that bad? Dont you need to start getting more table reads? My goal is to 8 table 2/4, but is it really possible to go higher than this? How do you people do it? 30/60, that just sounds crazy!

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enon can quote me on this. we were talking a while back when we first met online about multi tabling. i said i played 2 15/30s and he said he played 4. i was like OMG how can you do that its impossible.

a while later and it was me playing 4 30/60 tables. i got me another account and tried 5. then 6. then i found a way to fit 6 tables on 1 dell 24" monitor. i STILL DONT HAVE ME NEW EFFING COMPUTER WORKING, but 6 on the dell and 2 on the laptop screen works until then.

its not impossible, it just seems it b/c its not in the realm of what you're used to.

to me, what bk does seems impossible. 8 tabling SHORT games?? eff that, id go nuts...but then again, hed tell a similar story of how that happened.

its just 1 step at a time.

-Barron

[DcifrThs]

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Thanks for the responses.

I dont think my #'s are off, nightwish. My post merely said that assuming those #'s, you can expect around a mill, or 1.5 mill even, as I was corrected.

So 8 tables 40 hrs/week is hell, apparently (i wouldnt know). But 20 hrs is tolerable? If 40 is really that miserable and hellish, it seems 20 or more would be almost that bad. With 168 hrs in a week, 20 v. 40 really doesnt seem to be such an amazing difference, especially if it means double your income. I'd gladly go through that 40 hr a week hell, if I was one of those lucky few who could be reasonably confident of making a cool mill. Gotta beat slaving away at a large corporate law firm 80+ hrs a week for just about 100k after taxes, which is the path im headed on now. Come on, fellas. Slave away for a year or two online, put away enough to invest safely for the rest of your life, and your just about set. Man, if this is true, one of you super pros needs to take me under his wing. Id gladly pay any of you 1 or 2 hundred k a year, if you could make my ev anywhere near 1 mill a year.

So if noone (or a very slim few) is making this in limit online, how many are approaching that '20 hr' rate of somewhere between 500k and 750k.

How many of you 2 + 2 ers are making that? I want to know whose posts to read! Really just kind of curious how many 'good' 1 1/2 bb/100 4 to 8 tabling 30/60 pros really exist, who maintain that rate over the course of a year. Say with at least 15 hours a week.

Any more thoughts? Enjoyed the first batch of posts.





"If I had a million dollars, I would sit at home all day, and I would do nothing."

But "the question is bullshit to begin with,..." (cant remember the rest!)

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its bad ettiquite (sp?) to ask that kind of question. if a poster is respected and repeatedly gives solid advice, read their posts. simple.

on how many 2p2ers can make more than 1.5bb/100 at the 30 game i'll say this: its fewer than you would imagine, but more than you would think.

-Barron

[raptor517]

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Is it that easy to do? Game selection is limited (8 tabling?), variance is much higher, and you run the risk of having bad things happen, like losing months... yucky.

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8 tabling at 1bb/100 for 30 hours a week you wont have a losing month. holla

[dankhank]

if anyone out there is contemplating a "one million in 365 days" quest post - do it!

[stoxtrader]

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EV (for the year) on cash game players is 7 figures. 5-25 in the whole online community is not a big number, but then again, who am I to come up with that number?

I know in my games I would guess 2-10 guys can do it, and I'm pulling a number out of thin air for the rest - the top 1-2 MTT players, the top 2-8 NL ring game players, etc...

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7 figures? 2-10? i can count right now on my hand 3. and i dont know anybody. ok, well its 100% 2, 85% 3 so close enough. but seriously, bk, who do "we" know...the online community is much larger than those sites. with party opening up the 1/2 nl, there's a few there who can maybe maybe pull it off w/ other sites as well.

plus there's the folks from sweeden who have their 30/8/2 game going for them pulling 3bb/100 according to notes files so if they keep that up they only need about 550k hands to make 1mil. there's 4, maybe.

id feel alone in the universe if more people weren't making 7figures. but i do know from experience how effing hard that would be to a) play that well that consistently, b) have the right games going for you all the time, and c) put in those kinds of hours. but if you have a 1 mil goal. go to it.

ive reached my goal for the year and its not even remotely close to a mil. school is starting up soon so now i just gotta get as many 8 table 30 sessions in as humanly possible.

-Barron

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I'm unclear exactly what you are saying here. you think it's more? not guys that can do it (as i mistakenly wrote above), but players that you think WILL clear over 1mm this year.

I'd be curious to hear you are so certain about 2-3 players, post it or pm it, i dont care. i still think my numbers are a wild guess, but possibly a better wild guess than most here could make.

[stoxtrader]

a post i made two days ago i think is pertinent. ultimately, we are talking two variables. hourly earn, and hours. both take different skills to excel at.

"my personal preference for analyzing my play is hourly earn. this is a very useful figure for me, and I think a good metric for others. I would almost go so far as to say hourly earn is the best way to judge a poker player's abilities (in all facets of the game), or to dcided "who is a better player" when forced to make such a decision.

I've long tried to equate limits and earn rates between SNGs, MTTs, NL cash games and Limit cash games.

what kind or roll and earn would an elite 215 player make?
10/20 NL cash games?
all big MTTs?
30/60 multitabler?

and please put "fun" or "enjoyment" aside when making this analysis. "

[astroglide]

zeejustin played like 1000 215s 8-tabling and i believe his hourly was 300