Overcard challenge - Page 6

baronzeus · #1 07-07-2005, 03:17 PM

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Here's a textbook case:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

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I was going to suggest this.

halis123456789 · #2 06-28-2005, 10:41 AM

Follow the thread of mine below and tell me if I was correct to re-raise with UNDERCARDS to the flop.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

Trix · #3 06-28-2005, 12:02 PM

You raise a limper or raise first in and both blinds call, so 3way.

Flop comes somewhat ragged, with or without a draw.

When there isn´t a draw and the guy on your right bets into you with a hand that likely doesn´t have you reverse dominated, meaning your hand is worth atleast a call, then I like raising as it can clean outs from the last guy and if I show weakness and just called, then I´ll get check-raised by some hands that could have folded, had I raised, so I´m putting 2 bets in anyway with lower implied odds and no chance of a free card. This asumes that the limper is the type to bet pairs into the raiser on low boards and then slow down if raised, but would have check-raised or slowplayed better hands.

On a more drawy board against a player who also bets draws here, then raising overcards with showdown value to get the 3. guy out, aswell as get to showdown cheaper and again, to avoid giving your hand away and inducing a check-raise from hands that could have folded, had you raised is better imo.

Sometimes you get check-3bet and it costs 3bets, but I think it´s better overall anyway.

That´s all for now, but I´ll save whatever I get next time I play.

elindauer · #4 07-05-2005, 06:19 AM

Hi Nate,

Just saw this in the digest. Nice post.

Here's a sort of general case that I think warrants a raise in which you can be fairly sure you do not have the best hand. It just happened to me a few minutes ago.

You are on the button w/ AK. 5 limpers to you, you raise. 7 see the flop for 2 bets.

flop: J43

EP bets, two callers to you. You can't fold, as you are getting huge odds. So you raise, because your opponents are loose and passive. Your raise looks like it must be an overpair in this clearly protected pot, so the jacks slow down and go into check-call mode.

Results: Turn Q. Checked to you. You check.
River A. Checked to you. You bet, and get called by (to your surprise) only 1 hand, KQ.

So the general situation is: multiway raised pot preflop, loose passive opponents, good chance they will check to you on the turn.

QTip · #5 07-07-2005, 01:11 PM

This one just happened, and I think it's fit this bill.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Edit: Flop better was loose and fairly aggressive, but I figured there was at least a pair on this drawless board. My plan was to take a free card on the turn if I got the chance.

private joker · #6 07-07-2005, 03:18 PM

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This one just happened, and I think it's fit this bill.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Edit: Flop better was loose and fairly aggressive, but I figured there was at least a pair on this drawless board. My plan was to take a free card on the turn if I got the chance.

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Q -- I like it until the river, where I'd actually put in a bet. Usually after showing weakness on the turn like you did, the opponent will bet the river if he has anything. Since he checked again, I think you can put in a bet here, because he'll fold maybe 15-20% of the time, and you're getting 7:1 on the play.

Most likely he has a 9, but it's worth a shot, especially if you had a read that he makes laydowns like that. But you say he's loose and aggressive, so it's probably not a done deal.