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#51
05-11-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
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[ QUOTE ] To take it a step further. Has anyone EVER seen ANYONE lay down trips with no obvious flush/straight on board. No one on TV has done so, except that fabricated hand on ESPN. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. On Live at the Bike, a player had 33. Another player, with AA, raised preflop to $25-35. Player with 33 calls. Flop comes 9-8-3 with two spades. Player with 33 leads out for $30, player with AA raises all-in for around $100-120. Player with 33 thinks for about 5 seconds and says "I guess you have 99" and folds his cards up as the rest of the table has a coronary. (note: this was a set and not trips, but easily the worst laydown I've ever seen) [/ QUOTE ] I can top that. Live home game, generic $20 college NL . I have a decent stack of around 40 and limp with 44 in early position. Flop comes Ax4 with a flush draw. I check, gets bet behind me, raised, and I ended up getting all in against two callers. So, 120 pot. Turn is a T, check check. River is a K, one of the callers goes all in for 5 bucks more, and the other guy folds. Must have been a donk on a flush draw, whatever. I flip over my set, the other guy still in the hand flips over AK, and MHIG. The folder at the end then cries out, reaches into the muck and pulls out TT. So, to recap. He calls 40 bucks on the flop with a pair of tens with an ace showing on the flop, and then folds for 5 dollars in a huge pot with a set, saying that for whatever reason he was sure that the other guy had a higher set (why he didn't fold on the flop, I'll never know). Unfortunately, he was a friend of guy who lived in the dorm, and I haven't seen him since. 
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#52
05-11-2005, 06:08 AM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
This thread is retarded as Chris played the hand fine. It is easy to say "well you were the dog as all the money went in", but that doesn't take into account the hand that he holds and the pot odds that he is getting. In this case, he was getting (I think) about 2:1 to call with trips and top kicker (not to mention a chance to bust the best player with a hand that will win far more often then it will lose). No one is going to lay this hand down since his equity in this spot is way over 33%.
Brad
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#53
05-11-2005, 07:01 AM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
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1) Ivey called a flop bet that he did not have the odds for, even implied. [/ QUOTE ] The odds? He wasn't drawing to a third 9 you know. He figured MM for a continuation bet so he called a small bet on the flop, figuring if MM had nothing he would slow down. Also, how did he not have implied odds? He spiked a 9, jammed all in, and was a decent favorite to double up in a huge pot.
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#57
05-11-2005, 09:09 AM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
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Eaat......... my.......... shorts........ [/ QUOTE ] We already did this. WELCOME TO LAST WEEK. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#58
05-11-2005, 09:54 AM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
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We already did this. WELCOME TO LAST WEEK. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ]  "Don't mess with the bull, young man.. you'll get the horns."
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#59
05-11-2005, 04:03 PM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
The only time it matters what the percentages are is when all the money goes in. The fact that Ivey got lucky on the turn means nothing.
And yes, whatever the precise odds of Moneymaker winning the hand with one card to come were (I suppose it was 7/44), that IS a really bad beat. Worse than AA losing to KK.
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#60
05-11-2005, 04:27 PM
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Re: Ivey/Moneymaker WSOP 2003
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And yes, whatever the precise odds of Moneymaker winning the hand with one card to come were (I suppose it was 7/44), that IS a really bad beat. Worse than AA losing to KK. [/ QUOTE ] First of all, the odds of Moneymaker hitting on of his seven outs is 37:7, or 5.29:1. And with one to come, this isn't a worse beat than KK beating AA on the river. The odds of KK winning on the river (assuming no flush or straight draws) is 21:1, almost four times as bad as Moneymaker's situation. And lastly, READ THE THREAD. About a dozen people have already said that it only matters when the money went in. I just hate people who don't think.
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