Calling someone on a string bet = ultimate form of angle shooting

[Stork]

It's not angle shooting if you always call string raise, but you can angle shoot by being selective about calling string raises. To use an example earlier in the thread, if Angle Shooter has 87s in the small blind he would call the string raiser on his mistake, but if he had AKs, he would let it slide so that he can 3-bet.

[JKratzer]

I guess I don't understand exactly what you're complaining about. You meant to raise, you weren't trying to angle shoot, ok I get it. When the dealer calls you out because you didn't follow the rules, what? You think the other players should repsect your INTENT to raise and fold their hands even if they were going to call one bet originally? That's what it sounds like your saying to me at least.

I would say if you feel like you were taken advantage of then string raise when you really just want to call to give a false tell.

[Leaky Eye]

I will call a string bet on you even if I want you to raise. I want the game played strictly square, to keep anglers on guard. I play with guys that shoot every angle you have ever heard about and then some. They don't do it to me.

[Myrtle]

Most people think those lines are 'bet lines'.........i.e. once your chips have crossed the line, your bet is official. They are not.

What that line is is a guidline for all players to place their chips on the table so that the dealer is able to reach their chips.

There seems to be much confusion over this, so whenever I play in a casino with tables that have the line, I always ask for a clarification. Most that I have played at, rule the lines as "dealer assist" chip placement guidelines.

A very few have said they are "bet lines'.

Like anything else at a poker table, it is in your own best interest to ask for a clarification if you are not sure.

p.s GREAT clarification post, Felicia!!!

[Al_Capone_Junior]

There are SOME nits who are angle shooting when they call a string raise on someone.

However, there are also some nits who don't bother to say RAISE before they count out their chips, or just bring ALL of the necessary chips forward in one motion, who know better! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

As a dealer and floorman, I believe it's the "clear intent" principle that should abide, not the "way of the nits." This is how I run my games.

Clear intent is established when the chips are brought across the betting line, or on tables with no line, the imaginary betting line which is "past the edge of their cards."

Now regardless of clear intent, if you are blatantly bringing them across the line in two obviously distinct and separate motions, it may (and usually will be) ruled a string raise. If you don't enforce the rule here, it'll cause you far more trouble than it's worth.

It should be noted that behind the line, you can stack, re-stack and count to your heart's desire with no penalty.

al

[Sponger15SB]

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Now regardless of clear intent, if you are blatantly bringing them across the line in two obviously distinct and separate motions, it may (and usually will be) ruled a string raise. If you don't enforce the rule here, it'll cause you far more trouble than it's worth.

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Yeah, that was my point though. I took a 20 stack out, and without thinking dropped 4 and 4 right next to eachother so that anyone with 1/2 a brain knew I was going to raise, and then again with out thinking tossed them out at 2 different times.

Yes, it was a screw up on my part, but then for someone to call me on it and demand that I take my bet back just shows what a nit/angle shooter they are.

[JKratzer]

I played at the Bellagio a couple weeks ago and they are bet lines. Whatever crosses the line is in the pot.

[FeliciaLee]

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p.s GREAT clarification post, Felicia!!!

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Thanks!

Um, wasn't this thread about a month ago? I remember typing this up on xmas day, methinks. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Anyway, after this, and the subsequent post on my website, I got some really great e-mail. James VanAlstyne wrote me and went over several points that I missed (mostly due to time, because once I got onto Ciaffone's site, I realized I could go on forever). James and I had a few e-mail discussions, which were excellent.

I also had many responses on my website in the comments section, and it resulted in a good discussion there.

I could just go on forever about the "ick" factor in poker, but things are getting better, and that is always good for me!

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[sfer]

bdk3clash told me about a time where some douche at his table complained about having his action misinterpreted. bdk always announces his actions clearly, like "I bet. I raise. I call," and pointed out that he has never been misinterpreted.

[pudley4]

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I agree with you, Sponger. I haven't been called for a string bet in a very long time, but I never call them on anyone else unless it's clearly affecting the hand.

A few days ago, I'm dealt T9s on the button at Turning Stone. A few limpers around, so I limp. SB completes, BB says "raise" and throws out two white chips, and a split-second later throws out four reds. Blinds here are 1/2, and it's VERY apparent that this guy forgot he was in the big blind, and meant to say "raise", throw out a call, and then throw out his raise. (He'd been betting like that all day.)

In this position, it's definitely to my advantage to call the min-raise and take a flop with my hand, but I'm not going to call the string bet to be a douchebag. Of course, some asshole across the table starts yelling about it... admitting the whole time that he knows what the bettor's intent was, but that he wants to see a cheap flop. The floor is compelled to go with the book ruling, which states that the player made a string bet. The min-raise of $2 holds, and I crack PFR's aces with my flopped two pair. (He's not the one who pays me off, though).

Bottom line? Being a d-bag like this is +EV, but so is being a thief -- that doesn't mean it's right. Don't be a prick.

-DB

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If he said "raise" before he threw chips out, the raise should stand, even if he put the chips out one at a time.