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#51
08-04-2005, 01:19 PM
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Lets make that graph...everyone repost numbers with ATSB%
Lets make that graph...everyone repost numbers with ATSB%
25k 10/20 6MAX hands 37.5 ATSB% 0.133 BB/opportunity This whole thread is useless without both of these numbers--repost with both numbers other-wise this is just a bunch of irrelevenat numbers--lets learn something from it. 
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#53
08-04-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: Lets make that graph...everyone repost numbers with ATSB%
My brain wasn't working right, ignore this statistical rambling.
NB: I'm totally a Pooh-Bah! Surf Edit: got rid of incorrect stats. EditEdit: can't spell "Pooh"
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#55
08-04-2005, 01:36 PM
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Re: According to Peter_rus.......
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[ QUOTE ] One interesting question is whether stealing more can still be profitable, even if your BB/attempt goes down. For example: Does 1.6 BB/attempt with ATSB 34% net us more or less $ than 1.38 BB/attempt with ATSB 43%? Surf [/ QUOTE ] It absolutly can. If you steal only with AA, your BB/ attempt will be "huge". The more hands you add, the lower the avarage BB/attempt. The BB/opportunity however will increaqase up until a certain point... [/ QUOTE ] If this is true, and I believe you are right that it is, then the question (which you partially refer to) is where the optimal point lies. Any of you math whizzes able to work that out? I presume Sklansky has SOME kind of data to back his recommendations for steal ranges in HEPFAP, so maybe he's already done the calculation?
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#57
08-04-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: Lets make that graph...everyone repost numbers with ATSB%
actually, i think bb/opp is a better indicator. it defines your bottom line better. although i make more than cartman per attempt he attempts more so the gap is considerably less than your numbers indicate.
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#58
08-04-2005, 01:41 PM
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Re: According to Peter_rus.......
I will look mine up when I get out of work. If anyone wants to put this into a spreedsheet I would be interested in trying to build some sort of nonlinear model to predict the marginal return to each hand. At some point it has to go negative. I would hope with enough data especially if many are approaching this point i.e. probably over 40 it may be possible to estimate an approximate optimal %. Obviously some can play more some less profitably but still could be interesting to see how many the average should be stealing with.
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#59
08-04-2005, 01:43 PM
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Re: Lets make that graph...everyone repost numbers with ATSB%
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actually, i think bb/opp is a better indicator. it defines your bottom line better. although i make more than cartman per attempt he attempts more so the gap is considerably less than your numbers indicate. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, you are totally right, I wasn't thinking straight. Ignore that last post. Surf
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#60
08-04-2005, 01:53 PM
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Re: According to Peter_rus.......
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it seems like the top 43% of my holdings should play favorably against the top 80%+ of his holdings. Yet it seems that the prevailing approach is to steal less against extremely loose blinds. What am I missing here? [/ QUOTE ] Your 44rd percentage of hands is not good. Let's say there is no doubt that you want to play your top 43%. Whether or not to play your 44th percentage depends on whether those hands are EV + or - . With those hands you very much want the blinds to fold, no matter their holdings. If they never fold, then I think none of your 43% hands are losers (depends on how you define your 43th percentage... if it's the 43rd percentage of hands in a three way pot, counting implied odds, then I would _guess_ that those hands are losers).
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