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#51
10-12-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
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[ QUOTE ] This is a different situation. This is a matter of havign a new palyer feelign cheated becasue he doesn't understand the rules. I have seen many players pick up and leave becasue they fealt cheated, that the rules we being applied unevenly between tehm and the locals. [/ QUOTE ] This of course is the arguement for having standardized rules (which you object to). The problem of course here is that your player felt cheated because he wasn't allowed to string bet. But if you allow him to string bet, the other player is going to feel cheated. [/ QUOTE ] It is a deeper problem than that. I have seen many dealers (not always new, but ussualy not wiht a lot of experience) say "you can't do that, that is a string bet." If they had any clue what a string bet is they wouldnt' have done it. The rules are currently no string bets allowed, but there is no real rational reason for not allowing string bets. Any rule that serves to transfer money form teh inexperienced to the experienced is a bad rule. When a player's intended action is clear anyone that thinks he should be forced to do something else really needs to have a meeting with Mr. Capone. If I had to pick a rule to change the limit strong bet rule would be right behind IWTSTH. Calling string bets on the hotel guests does nothing to protect the integrity of the games, it only adds to poker's sleazy image that many people have worked to change. 
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#52
10-12-2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
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The rules are currently no string bets allowed, but there is no real rational reason for not allowing string bets. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with this statement. There is a rational reason for the string bet rule. There might be other rules which are reasonable or even better but the string bet rule is not without a reason. Simply put there must be some time when a players action has ended. With the string bet rule it is either when a verbal declaration of action is made or the first motion is completed. You would rather have a continous motion rule, well thats fine but there still has to be a time when the players time to act is over. Either one is rational, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both.
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#53
10-12-2005, 04:54 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
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I disagree with this statement. There is a rational reason for the string bet rule. There might be other rules which are reasonable or even better but the string bet rule is not without a reason. [/ QUOTE ] This is of course correct. What I should have said is ther eis no rational reason for allowing string bets rules to scare away new players. I like how it is done in California that a palyer must complain about it. I would take it a step further and say if someoen has been doing something all night and you understood their action when you wanted to raise them that you can't complain about it now based on the strength of your hand. Poker is a game played by people. When a player's intent is clear that should be their action. If it is clear to everyone at the table that someone wants to raise not allowing them to raise is just silly.
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#54
10-12-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
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I like how it is done in California that a palyer must complain about it. I [/ QUOTE ] This is the worst rule, as unless we are talking about the a headsup river situation the player complaining about the string bet is forced to reveal the weakness of his hand.
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#55
10-12-2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
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[ QUOTE ] I like how it is done in California that a palyer must complain about it. I [/ QUOTE ] This is the worst rule, as unless we are talking about the a headsup river situation the player complaining about the string bet is forced to reveal the weakness of his hand. [/ QUOTE ] In practice it isn't though. What usually happens si wel lnothign and someone politely explains string bets to teh new player and they quit doing it. When I first went to California this rule seemed bad to me, but after seeing it in use it is a far superior rule Also the player complaining isn't forced to do anything. He can choose to play the hand as it is meant to be played (someone has a good hand, wants to raise, so you let them raise).
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#56
10-12-2005, 05:23 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
I dont see not allowing string bets is scaring away players. Actually, it's reverse. I believe they feel more protected by the dealer and other players that no one can screw around and they know what is bet as soon as it hits the table.
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#57
10-12-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
player A heads up on the turn bets $x. Player B throws out $x and then reaches back to the stack to grab $4x and throws it out.
Player A was betting a draw. Player A now has choice. Complain about the string bet and basically tell Player B that he doesn't want to call a bet of $4x. Or as you say play the hand. Well if thats your choice you may as well not have the rule. Now you have expressed that you don't like the rule, so that seems like a good choice to you, so lets change the facts a bit. After Player A throws out the $x comes to a complete stop, the dealer starts to burn and turn but before he does Player B sees how Player A reacted and now throws out $4x. Should Player A now have to complain or should the dealer disallow the raise.
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#58
10-12-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
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I dont see not allowing string bets is scaring away players. Actually, it's reverse. I believe they feel more protected by the dealer and other players that no one can screw around and they know what is bet as soon as it hits the table. [/ QUOTE ] You have never had a hotel guest playing in a casino for the first time become angry when they finally catch a hand getting called for a strong raise? Maybe in today's market the floor staff is too busy to actually get these players off the rail and into a game.
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#59
10-12-2005, 05:39 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
Hardly ever seen it. The dealers try to explain the rules of betting as often as possible and most brand new players will ask the floorperson how to play. That part is always explained as well as the rest of the basic rules so that the players don't feel intimidated. I can usually tell who is brand new and will offer up some quick advice on betting and so on to make sure they are comfortable and having a good time.
As for the rail, we don't have one.
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#60
10-12-2005, 05:55 PM
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Re: betting lines and procedures, rules
I am guessing this is the changing demographics of poker. The player I am thinking of is generally in their 50s or 60s and has palyed poker for a long time, just not in a casino. They will watch for a while and then sit down and play. I know now there are people going to Vegas that are planning to play poker when they get there. Just a few years ago most of the hotels guests that wre i nteh games maybe had played poker before but that wasnt' one fo the main reasons for their visit. There is still no reason to force an action on a player when the action they wanted to make is clear to all.
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