Poker pro w/ most business savvy

[TStoneMBD]

well maybe i shouldnt insult phil gordon like that but its based on some things:

1) he thinks hes the most famous poker player.

2) he told the rich guy blowing money in the 400/800 game in eugeneel's thread that what hes doing with his money is disgusting.

3) hes very boring on camera.

4) he thinks hes much better at poker than he is.

to his credit hes of course very business savvy but i wouldnt consider him to be good at marketing his name. i think his current fame is based on the fact that he landed celebrity poker showdown which should never have happened imo.

[amulet]

i don't dislike phil, but i agree with some of what you wrote. the reason he is on celebrity poker is because many people in the tv business (and his agents) feel phil comes off as a very likeable guy (and with a sense of humor) on camera. he has several projects in development, because execs in the industry like the way he comes across.
while the little green book was very basic, i thought it was surprisingly well presents - very clearly written compared to many poker books.

[TStoneMBD]

i actually read phil's poker book before when i was in b&n one day. it was pretty entertaining.

[turnipmonster]

my comments were based on him graduating hs at like 15, college at 20 (engineering) and being super rich by his mid twenties.

your comments about his poker skill may be right (I have no idea), but it's pretty unlikely the guy is an idiot. lucky, maybe, idiot, doubtful.

--turnipmonster

[astroglide]

what big endorsements did boyd have?

[TStoneMBD]

namely pokerspot, but i think he had some other small time endorsements like clothes and such.

[astroglide]

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namely pokerspot, but i think he had some other small time endorsements like clothes and such.

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pokerspot was his own company, and it crashed and burned well before he appeared on espn. all press on it has been gigantically negative because it resulted in many players that were owed thousands of dollars.

he has blogged about playing like 1/2 holdem in recent times and went to ebay to try to drum up pieces of himself so that he could afford to play in tournaments.

[TStoneMBD]

thanks for the history lesson but im aware of all this.

dutch boyd claimed to have not been the owner of pokerspot. iirc he said that the actual owner was the one to walk off with all the money and dutch boyd was stuck with the liability and hate.

there was a period in time in which dutch boyd was very famous in the poker world and had an excellent name to market. he did a very good job of self-promotion at the time.

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dont forget about dutch boyd. his name collapsed because he dropped off the poker planet but he had a real big run at making a huge name for himself with insane amounts of endorsements and such.


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i also appreciate your explanation of how dutch boyd is currently doing in life. notice in my quote that i never said dutch boyd had endorsements or that he even had a big name. i said he made a run for making a huge name for himself implying that if he succeeded he would have had endorsements. i also mentioned that his name collapsed because he dropped off the poker planet.

[dibbs]

I'd say DN although the mishap with Pokermountain didn't seem like the wisest thing to do, maybe it couldnt be helped.

Was always curious why he didn't go with FTP, as they really seem to be getting their name out (which he loves) and it just seems like he fits in with that crowd, dunno if they wouldnt have paid him enough or theres something else to it. Should be interesting to see how his Pokerroom skin works out.

Havent read his blog in a long while, but it seems like he made the transition from poker player to business man under the guise of a poker player along time ago.

Not to say he cant play some cards, however.

[Ulysses]

Tstone,

No, that summary is not at all what I was asking.