I let it go.

[anatta]

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I agree with Diablo.

Real classy - those who would berate and chew out a lady at a poker table over a small amount of grubby chips, when you had the worst hand (and played it poorly, I might add). If your that concerned about the money, get a damn job.

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There are three ways to handle it: 1. Berate the lady - you're right this is bad. 2. Stew in silence. 3. Let it go. Its cool that Josh could let it go.

[anatta]

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I agree with Diablo.

Real classy - those who would berate and chew out a lady at a poker table over a small amount of grubby chips, when you had the worst hand (and played it poorly, I might add). If your that concerned about the money, get a damn job.

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There are three ways to handle it: 1. Berate the lady - you're right this is bad. 2. Stew in silence. 3. Let it go. I got the sense that losing this pot didn't really effect Josh's game or mood. If he just let go the berating, then yeah, big deal.

[Ulysses]

If he would've really let it go, this message wouldn't have been posted.

[schroedy]

2+2 really needs a recommend this post feature.

[anatta]

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If he would've really let it go, this message wouldn't have been posted.

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Two zen monks are walking and they come to a river. While they can cross with no problem, there is a young woman on the bank who cannot. Although it violates the monks' moral code to make physical contact with a female, one of the monks picks up the woman and carries her over to the other side a lets her go, and the two monks continue along their way.

After an hour or so, one of the monks can't stand it any longer. He says, "I can't believe you carried that woman! How could you?"

The other said, "Oh, I didn't know you were still carrying her. I let her go at the river."

Anatta is grateful to El Diablo for the dharma transmission!

[The Bear]

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Bear, I dig your posts, but I disagree that this is basic emotional maturity. I don't want to presume to tell you whats up with live poker since you probably have played and maybe you are just wired different. I do see that you are an online player, and I think its a little easier to let beats go when you got 4 tables and 100/hr on each. ( a "little easier", I play online too and its still often a torture chamber for me [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img])

Its harder to sit there all day, fold hands for hours, endure the usual beats, and have this happen. This pot is a weeks worth of wages for a good player. The manner in which he lost this pot is unexpected, and I think took some great control to calmly hold it together.

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That's cool. We'll just have to disagree on this point.

[Turning Stone Pro]

Nice sportsmanship. Since there is really not alot you can do about this type of situation, I admire those who can let it go and continue to focus on their game.

This is the sign of a professional, even if you only play for enjoyment and side-income.

TSP

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I can understand and appreciate all efforts in maintaining the "spirit of the game." But two things here.

One is that poker isn't suppossed to be played like a team sport. You're responsible for your cards and your money. If you muck your hand on the basis of a verbal call without looking at his cards, you should lose a pot you should have won. It's not about the spirit of the game. It's about learning a lesson the hard way.

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I'm never going to muck a hand (or let it be mucked) that I should have won. I'm that careful. But for many new to casino poker learning a lesson "the hard way" means it is the last time they play in a casino poker game. Losing those players is bad for all of us.

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Second - in a poker room there has to be something definitive that decides when a mistake that's been made in a hand is just plain unfortunate and irrevocable. That something should be the muck. The only time your cards should be retrievable from the muck is when you table them face up and the dealer mistakenly mucks them. Because the dealer is in charge of the muck and his mistake shouldn't cost you a pot.

I don't think it's close.

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I like Ciaffone's online rules (see link in other post) on Dead Hands. Here is one of them:

2. Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of incorrect information given to the player.

That said, I realize there is disagreement regarding retrievability. I wish more floormen posted here.

Regards,

Rick

[SA125]

"But for many new to casino poker learning a lesson "the hard way" means it is the last time they play in a casino poker game. Losing those players is bad for all of us."

Respect your opinion Rick but, two things. One is that you think many of the new ones won't come back. I disagree. Now it's a debate of whether or not the new people in a card room intend to play more and will accept it, or whether they're one shot wonders who'll take this excuse to never go to a card room again. I'd bet more are in the hard lesson camp who'll return.

Second - "I wish more floormen posted here" is exactly why you want something definitive, like the muck. When it comes to a hand being good to award a pot to, you can only have one set of rules. To say that one set "is discretionary" is a cop out.

I say again that the only time a hand should be retrieved from the muck is when it was tabled face up and the dealer mistakenly put it there. Then again, I can see how being a former floorman can make you see otherwise.

[elindauer]

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Respect your opinion Rick but...

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Hi SA125. Here's a tip I found interesting when it was given to me, and I now pass on to you with full goodwill. It's not poker related, but you may find it useful all the same.

When someone says, "I hear you, but" or "I'm sorry, but" or any other variation on this phrase, they are often saying, "I'm not listening to you, let me reiterate what I said earlier, since you don't yet seem to agree with me". Even when not intended this way, this is the message often delivered.

You can avoid this by simply ending the sentence:

"I respect your opinions Rick. Here are a couple things I think you may have missed..."

So much better. It's difficult to do, but the effect is even more powerful when spoken. That's enough preaching from me though. I hope this helps you the way I believe it has me.


Sincerely,
Eric