Global Warming Cause: The Sun is Burning Hotter

[Felix_Nietsche]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

Mmmmmmmm......the global warming cult may have more difficulty in trying to blaming mankind for global warming. Based on this study by German and Swiss scientists, the primary cause could be a hotter sun. 10,000 years ago during the ice age our ancestors were freezing their tales off. Then the earth warmed and the ice retreated......without any help from man.

Some noteworthy quotes below. One scientist called man-caused global warming a myth.
"It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research. Perhaps we are devoting too many resources to correcting human effects on the climate without being sure that we are the major contributor."
-Dr Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society-

"Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a MYTH,...I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.
-Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office-
***It is interesting that Tony Blair has moved for England to withdraw from the Kyoto treaty. Perhaps the world's leaders are starting realize they have been duped.

Another link that discredits Michael Mann's "hockey stick" research which alleges global warming is caused by man's activities. Unfortunately for Mr Mann, two Canadien mathematicians busted him using doctored data. Geez.....when science doesn't support the global warming whackos they just make up numbers and call it 'science'.

http://technologyreview.com/articles...ller101504.asp
Mr Mann STILL has not released his so called algorithms which he used to come up with his hockey stick diagram (EVEN though a thorough METHODOLGY section is required on all scienctific research. What is this man hiding?). The man is a fraud and he has been busted. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[bholdr]

welllll... that might be a good point, but dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere daily sure isn't helping any. (the great, vast majority of the scientific community does aggree that humanity IS causing waming)

The way i see it, the REAL 'nightmare' scenario happens if natural factors can/are/will cause warming, AND dumping greenhouse gasses catylyzes the problm to disastrous proportions.

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AND dumping greenhouse gasses catylyzes the problm to disastrous proportions.

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What the article is saying is that they might not be as "disastrous" as we once thought. Pencils are made with erasers because they make mistakes just like humans are ... well you get the point.

[SheetWise]

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The way i see it, the REAL 'nightmare' scenario happens if natural factors can/are/will cause warming, AND dumping greenhouse gasses catylyzes the problm to disastrous proportions.

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AND ... all evidence disproves the model. Doesn't mean they're wrong -- but they're certainly not right.

[Felix_Nietsche]

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm

Mars like earth, relies to heavily on fossil fuels and its ice caps are melting. It looks like the Martians are making the same mistakes we are making on Earth. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Wait, there are no cars on Mars. Could a hotter sun be warming up Mars climate as well? Evidence like this will eventually exposed the Global Warming Cult as a bunch of scam artists who have been sucking on the government tit (breast) for the last 30 years to finance their 'research' that man is causing global warming.

Sorry, mankind is just an insignificant spect on planet earth. Time to face facts....mankind is at the mercy of NATURAL WEATHER CHANGES. What is the difference between a primitive witch doctor in Africa who believes his incantations can cause rain and the global warming scientists that believes man-made CO2 can heat the earth to dangerous levels? I see no difference except the 'scientist' is better dressed.....

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Wait, there are no cars on Mars. Could a hotter sun be warming up Mars climate as well?

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the article that you cite says:
Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. "It's late spring at the south pole of Mars," says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "The polar cap is receding because the springtime sun is shining on it."

it doesn't mention anything about increased solar activity being responsible for its ice caps melting.

[Felix_Nietsche]

Another Link
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/585793/posts

``This is not a seasonal change.''
-Michael A. Caplinger, a scientist with Malin Space Science Systems-

You can't blame the warming of Mars climate on the automobile or cement factories. NATURAL CAUSES are responsible for the climate changes on Mars. The global warming cult can NOT rule out NATURAL CAUSES for the global warming on Earth....... The research that the sun burning hotter is one more nail in the shoddy science coming from the global warming cult.

Global warming is occuring and it will cause problems on Earth.
BUT.....we need to stop listening to the wackos like Michael Mann who have falsified data in return for more government research grants. Science should be based on the scientific method....not politics. The more people learn about these crooks robbing the government blind with their false research the better.... We need to learn to adapt to the climate changes on Earth not follow these assinine treaties like Kyoto which will accomplish nothing but increasing unemployment.

I predict within 50 years the global warming cult will be completely exposed as frauds and people will learn that the banning of products like Freon was completely unncessary....

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I predict within 50 years the global warming cult will be completely exposed as frauds and people will learn that the banning of products like Freon was completely unncessary....

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Freon is a chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) that destroys the ozone layer. and I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement on that one.

[SheetWise]

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Freon is a chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) that destroys the ozone layer. and I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement on that one.

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I noticed that everyone at Dow Chemical was in agreement the day after their patent expired.

[Felix_Nietsche]

Freon is a chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) that destroys the ozone layer. and I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement on that one.
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Everyone in agreement?????
No, I think the 'science' behind the banning of Freon was extremely shoddy. Politcal hysteria from the sky-is-falling environmental whackos was the main motivation for banning Freon. Ozone is HIGHLY unstable and it does not take much to break it down. Fortunately energy from the sun keeps a steady production of ozone available to maintain the ozone layer. I believe the reaction is 3 O2 + Sun's energy = 2 O3 (ozone).

As for the ozone hole over the South Pole. No one knows how long it has been there or whether the hole has ALWAYS existed. Since the earth's poles receive less of the sun's energy this is thought to be a factor for a ozone hole being located over the south pole. Also the south pole is primarily land why the north pole is primary water. Water holds a lot more energy so there is more potential energy in the north pole than the south pole. This could explain why there is not an ozone hole over the north pole.