Death of the 'Big 4' - Page 6

MicroBob · #51 04-10-2005, 07:23 PM

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craptabulous

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good word.

Kind of like 'donkeylicious'

bholdr · #52 04-10-2005, 07:37 PM

it's not that suprising that pacific gets so much recognition. I can't find the link right now, but somebody posted an article showing that 888.com is currently the largest online gambling company, in terms of numbers of distinct users and total wagering, it beats even Party and all the other IGM skins and casinos put together.

i was a little suprised to learn this, given that party is so huge, but it does account tor the recognition that pacific gets.

Beavis68 · #53 04-10-2005, 08:39 PM

Has anyone asked? Why is UB dropping the ball? No TV ads that I have seen, they could easily improve their bonus clearing and get more traffic.

The site is still where it was x months ago, while PokerStars has tripled in traffic, and party has probably doubled, hell, AP is getting close to them in traffic.

jek187 · #54 04-11-2005, 12:13 AM

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So what's the status of Pokerchamps now anyway?

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Looking like they'll earn me a C-note.

And Mike, let that money work for you, least we can do. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

2ndGoat · #55 04-11-2005, 02:33 AM

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it's not that suprising that pacific gets so much recognition. I can't find the link right now, but somebody posted an article showing that 888.com is currently the largest online gambling company, in terms of numbers of distinct users and total wagering, it beats even Party and all the other IGM skins and casinos put together.

i was a little suprised to learn this, given that party is so huge, but it does account tor the recognition that pacific gets.

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I found it interesting to learn that iGlobalMedia and 888 have office space in the same building in London.

Billman · #56 04-12-2005, 12:56 PM

My prediction is that if the US ever allows online poker, everybody but Party is gone within 6 - 12 months. Some might get bought out which I would consider being gone because the buyer would simply be purchasing the name and would completely revamp the company. At least one US b&m casino has set up a UK-based online operation (which they later closed since they couldn't take bets from US citizens) which goes to show that these guys are looking at that market very seriously. I don't think it unrealistic to think that one of the major casinos couldn't dump $100 million+ into a major ramp up and marketing campaign. Most of the existing online casinos can't even dream of doing that.

I also wanted to comment on some of the ideas expressed regarding rackback. The reason that some of the previous rakeback sites failed is because they had no budget. Wow, you think you're really going to draw in the fish with a few banner ads on 2+2 and some ads in CardPlayer? I could easily see a more marketing savvy casino billing it as cash back program or some other consumer-friendly name. Equate it to the Discover Card cashback program or something like that.

Should be interesting to watch how this whole thing plays out over the next few years.

solucky · #57 04-12-2005, 01:03 PM

poker is a bubble !!!!!!! Its still a 95% - 96% game, a few really good players have over 100% and fishes have perhaps only 85%. Why dont play the fishes in 3 years Slot and poker tightened up. Would anyone play if it is break even or a loosing game ? Dont forget for one winner somewhere are 2-xx loosers, and i dont think that many can effort to loose more than 2-3000/ year. But in the moment many win 5-10K / year. I am definetely sure that in 2 years anyone think back what a great 2003-2006.

Wolfgang

MicroBob · #58 04-12-2005, 01:04 PM

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My prediction is that if the US ever allows online poker, everybody but Party is gone within 6 - 12 months.

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I can't even begin to understand why would you would think this.

Billman · #59 04-12-2005, 01:18 PM

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and i dont think that many can effort to loose more than 2-3000/ year.

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There's this place called Las Vegas that might disagree with you on your observation.

grinin · #60 04-12-2005, 01:28 PM

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My prediction is that if the US ever allows online poker, everybody but Party is gone within 6 - 12 months. Some might get bought out

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He is definitely not taking into account the effect of taxes on US corporations that none of these offshores are paying. Of course all of the marginally profitable rooms would probably have to make big changes to stay afloat facing the increased competition but the big guns would not be going anywhere.

I also doubt there would be many buyouts because any US gaming corps would be bringing so much money to the table they would not be interested in purchasing jo blow poker room. They will go full bore, name brand.