for everyone who said 3bet the turn last time i bluffed...

[baronzeus]

villain was competent and capable of making both plays and folds, like any reasonable player. probably too loose preflop.

FWIW i dont think this is an "amazing" play but i think he has air there a large enough portion. obv i got lucky tho

Party Poker 50/100 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $50.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (6.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

[Danenania]

Did you have a read? It's really hard for me to conceive of his turn c/r as a bluff or non club hand because wouldn't he just bet the flop/turn with either of those? I think you have just walked, nay dove into his trap on this one.

[baronzeus]

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Did you have a read?

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villain was competent and capable of making both plays and folds, like any reasonable player

[pokerbo]

[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I'm no pro but I really don't like this move.. You also never mentioned your read on the player who came out betting on the turn..If I had no reads I'm folding here 100% of the time.

Would you check the Ac on the flop?

[flawless_victory]

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Would you check the Ac on the flop?

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of course not.

i like the play ok, only because MP is really really likely to have no club.

i mean, anyone who is not a complete idiot knows hero is full of it here, but whats he gonna do about it? normal ppl dont often go off for 4BB+ on a pure bluff.

[pokerbo]

I say if your gonna try steal this pot, bet the flop and fold or shut down if called or raised.

[Chobohoya]

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I say if your gonna try steal this pot, bet the flop and fold or shut down if called or raised.

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LOL coming next post: BZ bets the flop, 3bets turn and raises river on a bluff.

[Danenania]

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i like the play ok, only because MP is really really likely to have no club.

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I think a lone club is pretty unlikely because he usually bets the flop but the flopped nut flush doesn't seem too implausible to me if he is kind of donkish. I see many more far fetched slowplays many times per session even from seemingly reasonable players, at least at 20/40. Plus like I said in earlier reply if he's aggro enough to make this move with air wouldn't he have just bet the turn? No one seems interested in this pot thus far.

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normal ppl dont often go off for 4BB+ on a pure bluff.

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I think if he's bluffing in this spot he's already well outside the bounds of "normal" so we have to grant that if he reads hero as FOS further bluffing even if it's tilt induced is a definite possibility. What if he caps the turn? Are we supposed to call and raise the river?

[flawless_victory]

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What if he caps the turn? Are we supposed to call and raise the river?

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well, this post wouldve been quite entertaining if this had actually happened.