Honesty on this site..

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Many people who post on these forums DO lie. People will always say things to make themselves look better than they really are. BB/hour is probably one of the biggest areas of falsehoods. Posting unrealistic supposed win rates only hurts their credibility with those smart enough to realize the reality of poker life tho.

However, there are many really good posters who don't lie, don't give stupid advice, etc. If you can recognise the difference between the good and the bad, and filter it accordingly, then you're probably on your way to really learning from these forums.

al

[glen]

"It's all about playing a ton of hands, and value betting like mad. There is no poker to be played online... it's a completely different thing."

Are we not exagerrating here? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[snakehead]

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I also know that you're the best player who posts on this board who isn't named Zee.


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not even close. I just play higher than most of the posters here. what I am good at is game selection. I look for the most profitable games and make the most of them.

as for online, I am ahead in the games, but not by enough to make it worthwhile to spend any more time in them. I did win a seat in the wsop online though, so I guess it's good for something.

[snakehead]

I messaged you with my phone number and asked when and where, which you failed to respond to. those are key elements if you intend to invite me somewhere.

not that I would have showed up.

[snakehead]

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And yes, Andy cleaned up at the tables - again

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yes, and now he's getting too big for his britches. yesterday, he was leaving by way of my table as he usually does on the way to his parking place at the front door to the casino, and I yelled at him. he pretended not to see or hear me and just kept walking.

[skp]

5-10. 4 games. $100 per hour?

Hmmm

That's 2.5 big bets per hour per game. Even the best of players have a tough time making 2 bigs per hour in one game. And I have to think that when you play 4 games at once, your hourly rate in each game has to suffer as you are sure to have less of a read on your opponents.

I have no reason to doubt that you may have earned this type of rate to date (if that is in fact what you are saying)but I would chalk that up to running extremely good. I doubt that anyone can maintain it over the long run.

[CrackerZack]

online you get 65-70 hands an hour. That's about double what you'll see live so its not actually that unreasonable. I was a non-believer but a number of well-respected posters and IRC channel peeps are claiming to hold a 3 BB/100 rate with some pretty significant data. Even with that its closer to 2 BBs/hr/table so you may be right, but it seems quite possible to get close.

[J.R.]

"Even the best of players have a tough time making 2 bigs per hour in one game."

I think this is true for middle limit live B&M games, but when you consider the relative softness of many online 5-10 games and the greater number of hands one is dealt per hour as opposed to live play, 2.5/big bets/hour, while still a very large number, becomes much more plausible.

[Ulysses]

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That's 2.5 big bets per hour per game. Even the best of players have a tough time making 2 bigs per hour in one game.

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Note that online full games deal about 65 hands/hr. 6-max games I play often deal 100+/hr, depending on how many people in them.

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And I have to think that when you play 4 games at once, your hourly rate in each game has to suffer

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That's what I thought as well, but I very quickly moved from 1 game to 4 games online. Others play 6 to 8 successfully. One huge factor here is player notes. I have simple notes (maniac, only raises w/ nuts, always semi-bluffs, etc.) for many of the regular players in my games. More serious online players have much more detailed notes that include playing stats (% flops seen, % raises, etc.) that give them way more info than they would ever have live. With hand histories, you can go see what all your opponents play and every called river hand is available to you. Way more data than you get live.

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I would chalk that up to running extremely good. I doubt that anyone can maintain it over the long run.

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A number of top players are making over 2bb/hr per table playing 3 or more tables online at limits up to 15/30. This is over tens of thousands of hands, often the equivalent of 1000+ hours in B&M.

Here's the thing. B&M 15-30/20-40, I made about 1.5BB/hr over a sample size of > 1000 hrs. I figure I averaged somewhere between 30-35 hands/hr w/ a $3/drop or $7/hr charge and $1 jackpot. Plus $1/hand tip. And waitress tips, etc.

Online, I have a max rake of $3/hand, often $1 or $2. No tips. And instead of 30-35 hands per hour, I get almost 350-400 hands/hr. The opponents live and online are of similar caliber. Is it any surprise I make a lot more online than live?

[Ulysses]

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I am sometimes skeptical of the win rates I read about on these pages. it's hard for me to believe that low-limit online players make as much or more than I do.

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Making a ton online is all about multi-tabling. Some people have a knack for that, others don't. I have no problem multi-tabling and see 400 hands/hr online. 400 hands/hr.

My only problem w/ online is that I find it boring as all hell and can only play an hour or two max at a time. In fact, I didn't play for the last two weeks because I got so tired of it - having only played 15 total hours the first two weeks of the month.