Raising Preflop

[Nick Royale]

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In a similar manner to what you are describing it is heads up on the flop. I have JJ and the flop is J42, 4 and 2 of hearts. The pot is 4SB. I bet, and my opponent with A and K of hearts calls. Both he and I are making money on the call.

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To make it simple I'm not counting your chances to re-draw.

He'll outdraw you ~18% of the time.

EV if he folds:
4SB

EV if he calls:
4*0.82 + 1*0.82 - 1*0.18 = 3.92SB

You'll be making money if he calls, but you'll be making more money if he folds.

[Nick Royale]

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I do want my opponent to call in this situation but I want them to fold more.

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Exactly! But since you want him to fold more than you want him to call you really want him to fold [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

If a call is +EV for him you always want him to fold more.

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I do want my opponent to call in this situation but I want them to fold more.

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Exactly! But since you want him to fold more than you want him to call you really want him to fold [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

If a call is +EV for him you always want him to fold more.

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Well, almost no absolute statement is completely true. Regardless, the point of my post was that I want callers (almost all of the time).

something i find interesting about your post...

you want fewer callers in a hand that fairs better multi-way???
yet you want more callers in a hand that does better against a smaller field???
doesnt make much sense to me

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something i find interesting about your post...

you want fewer callers in a hand that fairs better multi-way???
yet you want more callers in a hand that does better against a smaller field???
doesnt make much sense to me

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What hand does better against a smaller field?
When do I want fewer callers?

[jackdaniels]

I just noticed this:

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4 days and you managed 2 stars?!?!? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

AK you want fewer callers as the hand you'll make most often is top pair with the best kicker... a hand that doesn't fair well with 9 people chasing you...

J-10 suited on the other hand will always make the nut straight when you use both or a medium flush... which is far more likely to hold agianst a larger field

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AK you want fewer callers as the hand you'll make most often is top pair with the best kicker... a hand that doesn't fair well with 9 people chasing you...

J-10 suited on the other hand will always make the nut straight when you use both or a medium flush... which is far more likely to hold agianst a larger field

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Can you prove this quantitatively. I agree that J10s wants more players; I think AKo wants more players as well.

simple logic...
assuming you are lucky enough to catch a piece of the flop with AK, you still have to fend off the drunk monkeys chasing you down with A-rag, or bottom/middle pair chasing their 5 out two pair draws, and any straight draws/flush draws... the more opponents you have the less likely your hand holds...
also, if you are able to isolate preflop and it comes 3 rags, there is a much better chance you still have the best hand...

J-10 on the other hand, you are likely to be the one drawing on the flop... and you want other players in, to provide you more than adequate odds to do your drawing... with only two callers, 8 out draws are barely profitable if they are at all if you miss on the turn

Quantitatively sir.