Doyle's Room....my experience.

[wolfie_cr]

"So, a situation comes up, Mike is sending me $300 in player to player transfer. I receive the money and then go and deposit it to my Neteller account."+"I told them on numerous, (and no surprise to anyone reading this) lengthy detailed emails that this is none of their business quick screwing around with our money"

so you want them to act as brokers for your money, while it is your money it has cost them money to receive it from you and it will cost THEM money to send the money to whoever you want, so they pay 2 fees just to do a favor to the player (that is, redirect the money to a friend)

they are under no obligation to act as your private transfer money service.......that is all it really comes down to

next time use a money transfer service and pay the fees involved....you will have no problems that way since the money transfer company is in the business of.....well transferring money

btw I think you nailed it right here

" Any policy that makes your business lose money....is a bad policy nuff said."

This policy of preventing player transfers for the sole purpose of a latter cashout is PREVENTING the site from losing money the stupid way so its a GOOD policy

[GrannyMae]

[ QUOTE ]
DOyle lent his name to Highland's poker 4 or 5 years ago. They were CS impaired as well, screwing me out of a small sum but causing me to badmouth them tirelessly. They folded PDQ. Was I a part of their demise? I hope so.

[/ QUOTE ]

speaking of scumbags...

hey dipshiit, while mentioning this story why did you not also remind folks that doyle paid all the customers out of his pocket even though he had ZERO obligation to do so?

u are the troll of the century

[ QUOTE ]
so you want them to act as brokers for your money, while it is your money it has cost them money to receive it from you and it will cost THEM money to send the money to whoever you want, so they pay 2 fees just to do a favor to the player (that is, redirect the money to a friend)

they are under no obligation to act as your private transfer money service.......that is all it really comes down to

next time use a money transfer service and pay the fees involved....you will have no problems that way since the money transfer company is in the business of.....well transferring money

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, they not unlike all the rest of the sites allowing player to player transfers. Now you are assuming that this costs them money, please show me where it says this costs them a dime to transfer funds between players on their own network. I will wager it costs them nothing, or every site wouldn't allow this in the first place. It was ok for me to transfer and ok for him to transfer...just don't try and deposit it off site...silly. They have an obligation to capitalism, that is they must try and compete with the myriad of other sites online. In doing so they have to try and offer everything under the sun and them some to gain the business in a tough market. All the other sites don't even blink on a player to player transfer, I should add any player to player transfer you have to send an email to accomplish...no interface in the software to do this like all the other sites.

Now, an update, Mike was going to wire a minimum deposit to his Neteller account from his B&M bank. $25 fee to wire $50 to his account to do a deposit on Neteller. Then he can deposit the $50 and get his money off of DR. Trish the mamanger FINALLY had an insight and allowed Mike to remove $50 to his Neteller so he could deposit and then remove his money. This is the first tie they have tried to assist either of us in this endeavor.

Now maybe you arn't assuming this, maybe you know the fees involved with player to player transfers on the same network...however I am going to say it doesn't cost them a dime to accomplish this. If it DID...you think all these sites would do this for free? Why do they give extra bonuses for using Neteller for the initial deposit? Because (now I am assuming using Occams Razor) that they must be getting money from Neteller or some kind of bonus. So taking money off of the site should cost nothing either...or again we would feel it in our transactions. They have no problem for charging for checks mailed out, I know they did this already with Mike when he cashed out 1k.

Again I may be wrong, however I think you are assuming there are fees where there more than likely are no fees.

Bottom line...customer service dropped the ball here and that is it.

[ QUOTE ]
DOyle lent his name to Highland's poker 4 or 5 years ago. They were CS impaired as well, screwing me out of a small sum but causing me to badmouth them tirelessly. They folded PDQ. Was I a part of their demise? I hope so.

[/ QUOTE ]
I almost want to take FiFish off ignore so I don't miss nuggets like this - you badmouthing someone tirelessly is different from usual how...?

[ QUOTE ]
u are the troll of the century

[/ QUOTE ]
I agree with Granny. Keep in mind that the century's still young, though, so you'll have to step it up to stay #1.

[ QUOTE ]
This policy of preventing player transfers for the sole purpose of a latter cashout is PREVENTING the site from losing money the stupid way so its a GOOD policy

[/ QUOTE ]

Really? They lost my business, my friends business, my other friend who was going to deposit, it is on a forum and people are viewing this and this is good? It would have cost them NOTHING to allow the transfer....NODDA...now it has cost them thousands by getting in the way and having terrible support. How exactly did they come out on top in this? They lost money and this is good....what business has a policy that losses them money and considers this a good policy?

I should also add into this....this skin is now Scott Fishman's new site. The Fish Tank, it is also using a VCpoker skin as well. Do I have anything against Scott...nope hardest working man in poker. Probably one of the finest online and live players in the world right now for tournament play. Also a stand up guy when my friend put a beat on him and knocked him out of a tournament at Commerce...tapped the table said nice hand and got up and walked away, no drama or bad mouthing the guy...just left with class. So, no I don't have any issues with Scott either.

[ QUOTE ]
Really? They lost my business, my friends business, my other friend who was going to deposit

[/ QUOTE ]
Lose three people to make thousands feel safer? I'd make that decision in a heartbeat.

[ QUOTE ]
it is on a forum and people are viewing this and this is good?

[/ QUOTE ]
For Doyle's Room, it will probably make most smart 2+2ers feel safer there. For you, not so good, though.

[ QUOTE ]
now it has cost them thousands

[/ QUOTE ]
It sounds like you have a pretty high opinion of your poker skills.

[wolfie_cr]

Harvester....I don't expect you to know how to run an internet cardroom/casino/etc .......I have been on the industry for 6 years and in the process you can see EVERY kind of players abuse that you can imagine

but just to illustrate the point

"Now you are assuming that this costs them money, please show me where it says this costs them a dime to transfer funds between players on their own network. "

if the site is VC and the other one is doyle by making a transfer like that doyle is lending the money to you while they get it from VC , makes sense? they are not under the same "administration" , nor do they share the same bank accounts ......its a cash flow issue

now I didnt read your entire posts to see if it was intrasite or intranetwork , if it was intrasite ...disregard that

It DOES cost the site to transfer money and pay a cashout without getting a dime in rake , that one is quite CLEAR

"that they must be getting money from Neteller or some kind of bonus" you know what happens when you ASSUME right? neteller has fees for EVERYTHING

also you say that if you don't deposit by neteller you cant withdraw by neteller and that is stupid rule eh? well imagine the following
a) player deposits by cc
b) requests withdrawal by neteller
c) withdraws neteller money to bank account
d) charges back all deposits by cc

guess who lost?


I am not saying you acted in bad faith but a few bad apples spoil it from everybody........after you get the first few hundred thousand of dollars in chargebacks you learn that most of the times people will try to screw you

at some point the company I work for (NOT poker) paid a 10000 dollar jackpot.....just to have the pleasure of getting a paypal deposit bouncing (thats when paypal was still in the business of egaming payments) can you imagine .....
d

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Really? They lost my business, my friends business, my other friend who was going to deposit

[/ QUOTE ]
Lose three people to make thousands feel safer? I'd make that decision in a heartbeat.

[ QUOTE ]
it is on a forum and people are viewing this and this is good?

[/ QUOTE ]
For Doyle's Room, it will probably make most smart 2+2ers feel safer there. For you, not so good, though.

[ QUOTE ]
now it has cost them thousands

[/ QUOTE ]
It sounds like you have a pretty high opinion of your poker skills.

[/ QUOTE ]

Futile attempt....my rake back stats show how much I have paid out. Player points alone show the ammunts....you are so smart you figure it out in Mike's account alone 160,000 points of rake. Yes, from my stats, I can say easily they are losing thousands. All my referells and all my play and all future profits...**poof**....gone.

For most smart people....whatever man your flame didn't work try again. You missed the point and this just being here is showing people not stumbling off the short buss what is up...you tighten your chin strap on your helmet and concentrate real hard...it will eventually....maybe.

How are people safer....they arn't. Nothing was accomplished except lost revenue and people leaving the site, and bad press.

Anything else?

[Innocentius]

First of all, I'm going to keep out of the discussion about whether the OP insulted Doyle or not, whether calling someone a lucky sucker is PC or not, etc, etc, and in particular whether the someone doing this has this or that many posts, as I find these arguments rather pointless.

I think there is one at least semi-relevant question that has come up in this thread though, and that is about how we should view the money we keep on poker sites.

It is clear that the terms we sign when we join a site restrict the money in one way or the other. E.g., we cannot transfer to a friend who withdraws without playing. It is also clear that these restrictions are put in place to ensure our safety and protect the sites from money-laundring. This, however, does not make it self-evident, as some posters imply, that the rules are ideal. I would like to think of the money in my poker accounts as mine, but this thread has helped me understand that this isn't really the case. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, only that this is the only important thing I've been able to gather from this thread. It has helped me realize that the money isn't mine until it't hit my bank account.