One God

If the universe collapses and expands, there is no need for an infinite supply of hydrogen. Whatever the conditions are in a collapsing mass may be able to produce hydrogen by fission, or at any rate, the conditions allow for the cycle of energy-matter-energy-etc. There is no need for "infinite hydrogen" in a model in which the universe collapses/expands without end.

[Peter666]

Aristotle can pull his conclusions out of any orifice he pleases, it is your job to prove that his First Cause argument is wrong. Aristotle could believe that green men lived on the moon, but it does not prove the rightness or wrongness of his philosphical conclusion.

So for a second time, prove him wrong on the First Cause principle.

[chezlaw]

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Aristotle can pull his conclusions out of any orifice he pleases, it is your job to prove that his First Cause argument is wrong. Aristotle could believe that green men lived on the moon, but it does not prove the rightness or wrongness of his philosphical conclusion.

So for a second time, prove him wrong on the First Cause principle.

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It maybe here somewhere but I cant find it. Can you provide a clear statement of Aristotles first cause argument and I'll see what I can make of it.

chez

[Peter666]

Check out the "Base Particle Thread" on this board.