Please help, need advice (long)

[LIRob23]

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Note that many people come to these boards and say "I'm thinking of going pro, what do you guys think?" It happens once a day or so. I'm sure a lot more than that show up, but it's normally only one post a day that generates this much interest.

So, yeah, we see people "like you" all the time. The truth is, you think you're ready, but you're not. We're not trying to hurt you, insult you, put you down, or make ourselves feel better. This board has given us a lot, and we're trying to give a bit back. Help you out.

And usually what the new posters need is a kick in the ass.

So when you get kicked in the ass, you can either (1) ask for clarification, or (2) ignore it, write us off as rude, and go on with your life as it was before you got here. Poker is profitable for us because of people in group 2. We are thankful, every day, for people whose egos are too big to handle criticism.

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Tell me, what did you have to gain by posting this?

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The hope is that you'll get the message. Evidently not. Your response to criticism is "I did nothing wrong!" Bzzzt. Sorry, buddy, you're in group 2.

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Insulting people is just as bad as scamming them.

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The truth is always a good defense against charges of slander. The truth is, there are a lot of red flags in what you've said. It might feel insulting to you to hear it, but it is true. Do you wish to ask for clarification?

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As for the other half, you have quite obviously taken what I have said out of context. Perhaps you should apply for a position with Fox News. I think you'd do well there.

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Note what you are doing here is called "mirroring." Most people do this without knowing it. Someone insults you, you insult them back. It is replying in kind. Since we, here, are knowledgeable about poker and the typical failings of new posters with overinflated senses of their poker skills, we agree with all of those red flags. Maybe he was a bit harsh (but again it usually takes a swift kick in the butt for some guys to get it), but it was the truth. And now you insult him for it. You have forsaken the moral high ground in this arguement, so we will, of course, not respect you for that. Show some self control in your own posting. If you're heated when you hit that 'Submit' button, cool down for a while. Go have a cup of coffee. Come back when you're cool, read the post over again, and edit it.

Cuz right now, you're solidly in Group 2.

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Cosimo. I thank you for your relaxing tone, and your wisdom. I sincerely appreciate what you have said, and will honestly take it into consideration.

However, I think you have mistaken me.

When I suggested that that person should apply for a position with Fox News, I was serious. People who are employed at Fox News make a lot of money, and they all are masters of taking other people's words out of context and twisting them to make people think something else.

If that person shares those qualities, he may have an excellent career on his/her hands. I honestly think he/she should apply for that position.

I know you may still think I am being sarcastic, but I assure you that I am not. While I have a, shall we say "dislike" for the Fox News channel, I still recognize that the people who work there make a lot of money doing what they do.

I don't see how that is insulting.

Furthermore, I do not feel insulted when someone says something like "You're probably not as good as you think you are. Newcomers to the game typically feel like they are poker gods due to a week-long run." Even people saying that I should not go pro, and that I should just play for fun.

I don't mind those comments. I actually agree with them. However, it seems as if those are the only constructive comments being made, with few exceptions.

What am I to do? Allow people to attack me, disrespect me, and say nasty things to me without any retort?

I'm sorry if you think that I should just sit back and allow people to piss all over me. That's just not how I am.

But I appreciate your input.

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Look. You don't know the circumstances behind what was going on in my life at the time. My fiance, who is a genuinely good person, was at risk of being hurt if I didn't come up with some of that money.

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I thought it was completely obvious that I needed more than $700. I guess not.

I NEEDED MORE THAN $700 TO HELP MY FIANCE.

Was that clear? Thanks for calling me a liar, though. I appreciate it.

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So, I scammed people (business owners who could afford it - not justifying it - but, they could). I got about $700 from the scam, took it all to the casino

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You know, back in my day, kids were at least smart enough to keep some consistency between their lies.

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I'm sorry, I thought it was obvious that I needed more than $700. I guess not.

I NEEDED MORE THAN $700 TO STOP MY FIANCE FROM GETTING PHYSICALLY HURT.

I hope that's clear now. But thanks for calling me a liar. I appreciate that.

[bernie]

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What kind of bankroll should I have for playing 6/12 games on a regular basis?

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Not to mention why a 6-12 (if it's limit) game isn't a good game to go 'pro' with, there is likely alot more you don't know about and you're far from ready to go 'pro'. If you read or studied enough, you'd know the answers to these questions.

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If you don't know the answer and reasoning for this question
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What kind of bankroll should I have for playing 6/12 games on a regular basis?

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Not to mention why a 6-12 (if it's limit) game isn't a good game to go 'pro' with, there is likely alot more you don't know about and you're far from ready to go 'pro'. If you read or studied enough, you'd know the answers to these questions.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. There is no need to be accusatory or rude. I'm asking nicely for help, not inviting jerks in to stomp all over my dreams.

But thanks for the input.

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All I know is that it sounds like you are in for a long and bumpy ride. And that you should probably get out now while you still can.

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This is all I was trying to say, but for some reason your ignorance makes me want to insult you over and over again.

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Well, I'm glad you're such a better person than I am.

[bernie]

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After reading your posts, I think that you are not ready to turn pro.

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After reading his posts so far, I don't think he was serious anyways.

Nice troll thread though.

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[DemonDeac]

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After reading your posts, I think that you are not ready to turn pro.

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After reading his posts so far, I don't think he was serious anyways.

Nice troll thread though.

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i am enjoying his sarcasm. its pretty funny.

[LImitPlayer]

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As for whether or not live play is easier than online play, well, if the way people play at these sites for fake money is any indication of how horrible they play for real money, I'll be making a lot more than $150/hour online.

For example...I have been on vacation at my mother's house in southern Florida since last Tuesday. I started playing free games on jimfeistpoker.com (a Canadian site) with just $1,000 starting money. I have been playing an average of about 3 hours per day, and am already up over $8,000, playing 5/10 games. That number would be higher, but people there raise aggressively with the crap-end of a 2 8 8 flop (meaning they have a deuce in hand). That kind of stuff throws me off. Perhaps they are just playing like retards because it is free to do so. I would like to think that they are just like me, trying to learn how to play real poker, and practicing for the real money games.


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Are you in for a wakeup call. Play money is nothing like real money.

Just because you see everyone playing like fools at play money, you think real money plays this way?

When is the last time you saw it folded around to the blinds in live play at the limits you mentioned? This happens a couple of times tops each night, if at all

Get ready for this happening 4-5 times an orbit at the Party 5-10.

Where you are used to seeing 5-8 people seeing a flop in live play, the opposite is true in online play at the 5-10
Quite often it is a blind battle and very rarely will you see a flop with more than 2-3 people.

If you start at the 5-10 you are about to jump into shark inversted waters filled with players grininding out profits playing 4-8 tables at a time. They will jump for joy when they see you coming and you will more thna likely be added to the buddy list.

PS.

Can I know your screenname?

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As for whether or not live play is easier than online play, well, if the way people play at these sites for fake money is any indication of how horrible they play for real money, I'll be making a lot more than $150/hour online.

For example...I have been on vacation at my mother's house in southern Florida since last Tuesday. I started playing free games on jimfeistpoker.com (a Canadian site) with just $1,000 starting money. I have been playing an average of about 3 hours per day, and am already up over $8,000, playing 5/10 games. That number would be higher, but people there raise aggressively with the crap-end of a 2 8 8 flop (meaning they have a deuce in hand). That kind of stuff throws me off. Perhaps they are just playing like retards because it is free to do so. I would like to think that they are just like me, trying to learn how to play real poker, and practicing for the real money games.


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Are you in for a wakeup call. Play money is nothing like real money.

Just because you see everyone playing like fools at play money, you think real money plays this way?

When is the last time you saw it folded around to the blinds in live play at the limits you mentioned? This happens a couple of times tops each night, if at all

Get ready for this happening 4-5 times an orbit at the Party 5-10.

Where you are used to seeing 5-8 people seeing a flop in live play, the opposite is true in online play at the 5-10
Quite often it is a blind battle and very rarely will you see a flop with more than 2-3 people.

If you start at the 5-10 you are about to jump into shark inversted waters filled with players grininding out profits playing 4-8 tables at a time. They will jump for joy when they see you coming and you will more thna likely be added to the buddy list.

PS.

Can I know your screenname?

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I'm going to have to half thank you for this post. This is the kind of information that I was originally looking for. Although you seem to have some sick obsession with insulting me, you offered some useful information at the same time.

And, just for the sake of clarification, I believe that I was more than clear in stating that I have no idea if playing for real money online was anything like playing for fake money. It seemed obvious to me that there wouldn't be as many idiots around, raising with 10 3 off-suit and similar hands EVERY SINGLE HAND. But I was under the impression that I might see approximately 25% of that kind of play.

As for becoming food for sharks in a 5/10 game, I assure you that I do not play that badly. I am actually a very tight, aggressive player who fully understands most of what I have read in Sklansky's books. I have studied "SSHE" several times, and even bring it with me to the casino and read it while waiting for a table or eating lunch/dinner. I am not as -small- a fish as you apparently think I am.