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06-29-2005, 07:50 PM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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[ QUOTE ] Forget grad school, I'm 20k in the hole just from undergrad, and I'm lucky not to be quite a bit deeper. NT [/ QUOTE ] My sister owes a quarter mil. Med school [/ QUOTE ] *Throwing up in my mouth a little bit.* 
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06-29-2005, 07:52 PM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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[ QUOTE ] My sister owes a quarter mil. Med school [/ QUOTE ] *Throwing up in my mouth a little bit.* [/ QUOTE ] She's only getting paid 46 K right now. She delivered eleven babies yesterday.
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06-29-2005, 07:53 PM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] My sister owes a quarter mil. Med school [/ QUOTE ] *Throwing up in my mouth a little bit.* [/ QUOTE ] She's only getting paid 46 K right now. She delivered eleven babies yesterday. [/ QUOTE ] That is awful. You should be very proud of your sister. See my post in Help People/Positive, what would you suggest.
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#44
07-01-2005, 05:43 PM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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It is not up to the administrators to push the students. [/ QUOTE ] That's not really true. Here's an easy example: all of the schools that admitted me said something like this in their letter: "we'll guarantee you $20K/year plus tuition and fees for 5 years, assuming you remain a student in good standing." Now, I went out of my way to find funding sources, but what if I hadn't? You can bet that our secretaries would have pressed me to apply for fellowships, etc. rather than have the department pony up $45K/yr. More generally, things run better with money. Good administrators will do what they can to get as much extra money as possible flowing into their departments. And things run way better when the grad students have enough money to get by. Good administrators help to make sure this is the case. [ QUOTE ] it usually up to the student and the PI to write the grant. [/ QUOTE ] That's more true in some fields than others. I'm in biophysics, and every grant I've seen has been written either by the PI or by a Post Doc. Grad students might help out a bit, but they don't do bulk of the work. I'm pretty sure it's the same in bioinformatics, but I'm not positive. My wife, on the other hand, is in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. She writes a ton of grants herself. Never the big multimillion dollar ones, obviously, but a lot of grants for a couple of thousand. [ QUOTE ] That said most grad schools pay their students (and tuition is deferred). [/ QUOTE ] In our department, most students are paid directly by their advisors, who are expected to have grants to cover such things. The tuition isn't deferred either; the advisors pay it.
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#45
07-02-2005, 11:49 AM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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Bioinformatics. I've had jobs working in the labs and internships out the waazooo. My resume could not look better right now. Still, I didn't find out about graduate assistantships till very late in the game. Right now I'm a little over $70K in debt. [/ QUOTE ] I'm confused. You PAID to go to grad school in bioinformatics? eastbay
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#46
07-02-2005, 04:03 PM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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[ QUOTE ] It is not up to the administrators to push the students. [/ QUOTE ] That's not really true. Here's an easy example: all of the schools that admitted me said something like this in their letter: "we'll guarantee you $20K/year plus tuition and fees for 5 years, assuming you remain a student in good standing." Now, I went out of my way to find funding sources, but what if I hadn't? You can bet that our secretaries would have pressed me to apply for fellowships, etc. rather than have the department pony up $45K/yr. More generally, things run better with money. Good administrators will do what they can to get as much extra money as possible flowing into their departments. And things run way better when the grad students have enough money to get by. Good administrators help to make sure this is the case. [ QUOTE ] it usually up to the student and the PI to write the grant. [/ QUOTE ] That's more true in some fields than others. I'm in biophysics, and every grant I've seen has been written either by the PI or by a Post Doc. Grad students might help out a bit, but they don't do bulk of the work. I'm pretty sure it's the same in bioinformatics, but I'm not positive. My wife, on the other hand, is in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. She writes a ton of grants herself. Never the big multimillion dollar ones, obviously, but a lot of grants for a couple of thousand. [ QUOTE ] That said most grad schools pay their students (and tuition is deferred). [/ QUOTE ] In our department, most students are paid directly by their advisors, who are expected to have grants to cover such things. The tuition isn't deferred either; the advisors pay it. [/ QUOTE ] Clearly things are run differently in different fields/schools. However, I have never heard of an administrator going beyond frequent reminders when it comes to applying for fellowships. The salary burden related to a grad student falls on the PI and as such they tend to push their students to apply for fellowships. In this case the application (including the experimental outline) is often prepared by the grad student. Larger grants (NIH RO1 types) that fund the lab are indeed written by the PI with some help from postdocs. Again, I have never heard of a student or PI being responsible for tuition. Tuition is usually part of the operating costs of the department and if that burden were placed on the PI the size of most labs would shrink dramatically. Of course some scools may run differently but I can't imagine that many PIs would be willing to cover 10K+ tuition costs for untested grad students whe they could hire postdocs who have much more lab experience. All my experience relates to biomedical sciences so it may be skewed...
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07-04-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: A question for grad students......
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[ QUOTE ] Bioinformatics. I've had jobs working in the labs and internships out the waazooo. My resume could not look better right now. Still, I didn't find out about graduate assistantships till very late in the game. Right now I'm a little over $70K in debt. [/ QUOTE ] I'm confused. You PAID to go to grad school in bioinformatics? eastbay [/ QUOTE ] Believe it. NIH and NSF funding pays for people like us to get our Ph.D.s.
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