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#41
05-30-2005, 06:42 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
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I kinda disagree with Greenstein. Yes they are all good players but what about others such as johnny chan, t.j cloutier, and even lederer [/ QUOTE ] Chan - plays big cash games, but doesn't frequent the biggest cash games Cloutier - Good tournament player, but tournament players often face significantly weaker opponents than cash games opponents face. Also, is addicted to craps and thus is always staked by a backer in the big tournaments. Makes a lot less than you think. Lederer - expert in game theory, but chooses not to frequent the biggest cash games. 
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#42
05-30-2005, 06:43 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
How are cash games the marathon's when you can cash out anytime you would like. Tournaments are much more mentally strenous than cash games.
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#43
05-30-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
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I think that tourny's take more skill than cash games. [/ QUOTE ] I'll make this one easy for you: The top cash games players (Reese, Brunson, Greenstein, Ivey, Giang) have all made final tables and won MTT's. However, the "MTT" pros like Hellmuth, Cloutier, Ferguson, and Hansen couldn't even hold their own in 300-600, much less the 4k-8k games the top cash game pros frequent. That's why you see guys like Hellmuth and Lederer making tapes and DVD's on how to win at poker that will make them a couple hundred grand, while big cash game players make and lose more than that in a night.
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#44
05-30-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
I totally agree with elmitchbo. In tourny's you have to beat so many people and are moving tables and what not. Cash games your at the same table against the same people. Easier to learn to play with those guys and pick up on tells and betting patterns.
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#45
05-30-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
callmeishmale does have a good point but in tournaments when you get to the final couple of tables you can't tell me those players aren't good.
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#46
05-30-2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
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callmeishmale does have a good point but in tournaments when you get to the final couple of tables you can't tell me those players aren't good. [/ QUOTE ] You highly underestimate the short-term variance required in multi-table tournaments. If you keep posting in 2+2 and get involved in strategy posts and the whatnot, a year from now you'll look at your posts in this thread and realize how ridiculous you sound.
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#47
05-30-2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
the stucture of the tournament does require more skill. Say your in a cash game and you aren't very good. But you get a streak of say 3-5 hands where you get great cards. You can do so much damage. In a tournament you play soo many hands. You will go throug huge droughts and even when you go through times with monster hands consecutively you're still a long way from the end of the tournament.
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#48
05-30-2005, 06:50 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
"A tourney is shortterm"
I don't think so. WSOP is a lot longer than an hour cash game.
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#49
05-30-2005, 07:11 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
Are the blinds 4k-8k in the big cash game that they mention?
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#50
05-30-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: Greenstein - Good Article.
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"A tourney is shortterm" I don't think so. WSOP is a lot longer than an hour cash game. [/ QUOTE ] It's only 5 or 6 days. Even a losing player can run decent for 5 or 6 days. Besides, cash games last much longer than an hour. b
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