My Best Ever Lay Down! - Page 5

JerseyTom · #41 03-18-2005, 11:48 AM

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? I mean are you seriously telling me NONE of you have ever LIMPED with KK before???

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I am not proud of it, got therapy, did the 12 steps, and have raised KK everytime for 125 days since those dark times......

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The only times I can remember not raising KK preflop were those occasions when it was already capped to me...

Tom

SeaEagle · #42 03-18-2005, 12:09 PM

Everyone's already commented on the play of the hand so I'll leave that rest of the hand alone.

TryingHard, I don't think the actual laydown was good at all either. You say you had a good read on SB but I'm not so sure. He wasn't betting with the nuts, or even close to it. If you'd said he showed down A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], then I'd say you had such a good read that you laid down correctly.

Even if you'd said "I laid down my Kings because there are 4 people left to act and one of them has surely connected to this board", I could see that. I wouldn't lay down here since there's been no action at all, but it's not a horrible play.

As it is, the guy scared you off the hand where you are most likely still best, you just happened to be 2nd best in this case. Just like we remember our bad beats, we remember our tough laydowns. They standout because they're abnormal. And, like bad beats, if you have too many of them it's signalling a weakness in your play that is costing a lot of chips.

Stefan Prodan · #43 03-18-2005, 12:49 PM

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They standout because they're abnormal. And, like bad beats, if you have too many of them it's signalling a weakness in your play that is costing a lot of chips.

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Wait, what?

riffraff · #44 03-18-2005, 12:59 PM

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They standout because they're abnormal. And, like bad beats, if you have too many of them it's signalling a weakness in your play that is costing a lot of chips.

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Wait, what?

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Yeah this confused me a little too.. Remember what our friend Mike Caro says about WHY OPPONENTS PUT BAD BEATS ON YOU

PokerBob · #45 03-18-2005, 01:01 PM

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Ok this is my Best ever Lay Down, Id like to here your views on this hand and perhaps any great lay downs you've made yourself.

Ok I'm on Pacific Poker $5-$10 as usual, In the Big Blind on a very loose table I look down and see KK with 5 limpers, now I no if I raise not one of these players will fold, all I'll be doing is giving them better pot odds later on, and its harder enough getting them outta the pot if its small, if the pots big I'm never gonna beat all 5 of them with KK.

So I check flop brings 9d5dJh not a great flop for me as now if I bet any 2diamonds will call me, any 67,78,QT,KT,J rag, 9, and probably the 5 will call me, so I check hoping for a check raise to knock a few out, but now everyone checks and the turn brings a horrible 7d

The board now looks like this 9d 5d Jh 7d, one of these 5 players now has me beat, I'm gonna check this but wait the Small Blind bets out, this guy is a real Loose, Passive Player, I mean he was they guy who cracked my JJ to runner runner straight earlier, he chases everything but never bets out without a hand, he's either got the Flush, or at least two pair and even if he hasnt I'm sure someone else has got a piece of this board, it was only my Big Blind $5 invested, I FOLD.

One player calls and the River is Qs board is now 9d 5d Jh 7d Qs, horrible board for me but as so many players folded I'm not sure I've done the correct thing, but my read on the Small Blind is pretty good, I mean I've played with this guy for around a month now.

The Small Blind Bets out again and the only other player in the pot calls.

Showdown time Small Blind Shows wait for it Pocket Aces...this is probably the best lay down I've ever made due to the non aggression shown throughout the hand, geez I got lucky there holding KK and I didnt lose a penny, I mean your forced to put in the $5 blind so that doesnt even count... After that I played a pretty good game ending up around $200..

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Your post is mis-titled. It should read, "How to really play KK like a donk."

PokerBob · #46 03-18-2005, 01:05 PM

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Ok I've edited the post best I can. Like I said before I'm not gonna be the world's greatest forum poster.

Anyway, Yes I know to Raise KK and cap KK whenever wherever.. But this was truely the loosest game ever another thing you PRO's forgot is the whole MIXING your game up?? I mean are you seriously telling me NONE of you have ever LIMPED with KK before???

My advice may not be great, my post's may not be great, my poker may not be great, but you know what, I'm never gonna put people down like you guys did [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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IF you can get over the insults, your play will improve exponentially by reading/posting here.

I used to get berated daily (now it's only every-other-day), but my game has improved substantially. Swallow your pride, deal with the insults, and keep posting hands.

CallMeIshmael · #47 03-18-2005, 01:19 PM

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They standout because they're abnormal. And, like bad beats, if you have too many of them it's signalling a weakness in your play that is costing a lot of chips.

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Wait, what?

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crunchy1 · #48 03-18-2005, 01:20 PM

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IF you can get over the insults, your play will improve exponentially by reading/posting here.

I used to get berated daily (now it's only every-other-day), but my game has improved substantially. Swallow your pride, deal with the insults, and keep posting hands.

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Good advice!!!
Anyone new to this forum should read this post and notice the following:

Almost every poster in this thread who was either sarcastic, insulting, ass-hole-ish or a combination of the three in one post continued to post a second time giving some solid advice on how to improve the play of Trying's hand or his game in general.

Yeah we're cocky dicks sometimes - but it's all in fun!!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Eurotrash · #49 03-18-2005, 01:43 PM

This has to be some kind of semi-elaborate hoax/troll...

I mean, it's got to be, right?

[caption:Check this hand out I've got AsKc fish has got Q2s its 3 bet preflop by me board K5QA8 we cap the river together, what the hell was he thinking?? My top 2 pair held up against his Q2 some how??]

A JOKE, RIGHT?

SeaEagle · #50 03-18-2005, 02:03 PM

Heh, probably would have been better to say "If you're getting a huge number of bad beats, they're probably not actually bad beats. And if you're laying down a bunch of good hands, they're probably not actually good laydowns."

As in "Listen to this awful beat. I'm in the small blind with Q4. UTG raises, CO calls, and I call because I already have half a bet in. The flop comes A84. I check, UTG bets, CO folds. I figure I'm beat but I have a 5 outs and I'm getting 7-1 plus implied odds, so I call. Turn is a beautiful Q. I bet, UTG raises, I reraise, UTG caps, I call. River is a 2nd Q! Oh joy! I bet, UTG raises, I reraise, UTG caps, I call. UTG shows me AQ with a bigger full-house. You ever had a beat like that?"

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