Pros, what's your biggest downswing?

[roy_miami]

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i disagree with everything he writes, but i find this analogy to be quite accurate. it may be a little dramatic, but gets the point across well.

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Tommy's analogy would be good if you were going from B&M poker to online bridge for money, but its not good for this comparison.

A better analogy might be-its like going from indy car racing to formula 1.

I actually think its a lot easier for B&M guys to do well at online than visa-versa. Its true for me anyway, I have a hard time following the action, especially from the 1 and 10 seats live. I also miss a lot of the action playing live due to chatting, looking at hot chicks, drinking 2 or 12 beers, picking my chips up off the floor or what-not. The tell thing rocks though.

[Turning Stone Pro]

Kinda like comparing my game to Tommy's is like comparing Julia Childs to Ronald McDonald.

TSP

[Lestat]

Thank you for a very accurate and thought provoking response. I have already realized and thought about this. I also already went back to the books. I have determined that if I do have systematic problems (and I'm sure I do), they must lie mainly in after the flop play. There is just no way I could be losing this kind of money from pre-flop mistakes. So I need to post some more hands.

I am assuming for now that I am in fact a losing player online. It's driving me nuts, because I cannot for the life of me determine where I'm getting my money in bad against these guys. On the contrary, it sure seems that my opponents are getting their money in terrible against me. Unfortunately, they keep sucking out to the point where it seems I am not getting my fair share of pot equity. I believe if I am making a sytematic type of mistake, it is folding when I should call. I guess I can see how this could lead to my catastrophic results. But I will continue to look for leaks in my post flop game. Thanks again for responding.

[Lestat]

Thanks Dreamer,

For some reason the link didn't work. But I have already done the calculations and came up with pretty much the same thing you did. It's actually a little worse, since I wasn't clear about the last batch of hands. The total hands is 51k and I'm STUCK overall 3k. There's no doubt I ran well in my first 11k. There's also no doubt I ran about as bad as humanly possible during my 3rd 11k. The one weird thing I've noticed is that other than when I first started, I have yet to go on any significant upswing (some call this a rush). There have been no upward pushes since.

[kemystery]

I don't think game selection has been mentioned in this post, as that can make a HUGE diff. in your earn. My take on the PP 15 game is that it is gift- but extremely loose aggressive games are not neccesarily the best 'average' earners. (You can make the biggest scores in these games, but somebody has to lose)
You can expect even bigger swings in this type of game (if you regularly play it, the swings (variance) can/will be bigger than the usual variance considered into the 'standard' 300bbs bankroll system)

[That guy]

There's no doubt I ran well in my first 11k. There's also no doubt I ran about as bad as humanly possible during my 3rd 11k. The one weird thing I've noticed is that other than when I first started, I have yet to go on any significant upswing (some call this a rush). There have been no upward pushes since.

Just something to consider... Nobody had any stats on you for the first 11k hands. It is possible others adjusted to your game based on the PokerTracker stats of you after your first 11k hands. This is not necessarily the right answer but something to consider.

[nichtgut]

I live in Sweden and play online most. My impression is that when I go and play live at the casinos or cardrooms in Sweden and play the equalent of 15-30 the opposition is a lot softer than online. Online 15-30, you're playing against other pros. Not saying that EVERYONE at 15-30 is a pro, but a lot more than live. Live 15-30 you're playing against restaurant owners, tourists, old people etc. It's a completely different game.
I have to admit, I beat the party 15-30 at 3,44 BB/100 over the last 6 months, but I think I'm a loser at the casino when playing the completely clueless players, so far. Only been there like 10 times though.
One more thing:
I have like a poker school where I teach people to win online. One common problem as they move up at the higher limits, 5-10 and up, is that they win at first then start losing. I think the explanation is that after a while, you end up in the other pros databases. They export your stats to their notes files and now the edge you had is gone. If you're weak/tight, you won't get action, if you're loose, they exploit that weakness, etc. 15-30 online is a tough limit.

My thoughts, but I'm

Nicht Gut

[NYplayer]

i dont' know if this has been covered yet but what is your aggression factor on each street? you can see it by clicking on 'more detail' onthe general info tab in poker tracker.

[bobbyi]

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My impression is that when I go and play live at the casinos or cardrooms in Sweden and play the equalent of 15-30 the opposition is a lot softer than online. Online 15-30, you're playing against other pros. Not saying that EVERYONE at 15-30 is a pro, but a lot more than live. Live 15-30 you're playing against restaurant owners, tourists, old people etc. It's a completely different game.

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Yeah. I find that the whole psychology is different. People I play with at the casino are there because they want to drink and gamble and have fun. People who play online are often doing it because they are serious about playing poker.

[Levi King]

I haven't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

I think it's a huge mistake to jump straight into 4 tabling 15/30 when going online for the first time. It would be much better to start with 1 or 2 tables of 5/10 to get the feel of the online game; then move up/ add more tables as you feel like you're really nailing it.