Screw collusion...THIS is the problem online.... - Page 5

touchfaith · #41 02-07-2005, 03:15 PM

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Wow, you've added so much to this thread...I should do a complete 180 on this topic now huh?

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I didn't say that.

I said you should not post if you think we are all idiots.
Since you don't expect intelligent replies (see: replies which don't agree with you), why post here at all?

Ohhh, I know, to whine!
Silly me.

I suggest you just don't post.
That would solve your problem.

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Shouldn't you be getting a ride to school from your mom right about now?

HRFats · #42 02-07-2005, 03:16 PM

The information IS provided by the sitesin "raw" form. The program simply takes the information that PP loads onto my hard drive and formats it in an easy to use fashion. It turns data into information...

AngryCola · #43 02-07-2005, 03:16 PM

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Shouldn't you be getting a ride to school from your mom right about now?

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Not at all clever.

Try harder next time.

moondogg · #44 02-07-2005, 03:19 PM

Level playing field? We're talking about poker, right? Since when do you want your opponents to be less ignorant? As long as their is no cheating which violates the T&C of the site, who gives a damn if it is "fair" to the losers?

Almost every site provides the information. Most people choose not to do anything useful with it.

mcozzy1 · #45 02-07-2005, 03:20 PM

I don't think this is as simple an issue as most people are making it out to be. The same argument that most people are using to support the use of pokertracker can also be used to support the use of bots ("I wouldn't make as much money if I didn't use stat tools", "It's a dog-eat-dog world, do whatever you have to in order to win", etc.

I guess the major distinction is that bot use is against the TOS agreement. I'd be willing to bet that if using PT was against the TOS, there would still be a lot of people doing it though. Even though I use (and enjoy) pokertracker, I'd like to see Party discourage the use of stat tracking tools. I think internet poker should try to emulate B&M rooms as much as possible.

AngryCola · #46 02-07-2005, 03:22 PM

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I think internet poker should try to emulate B&M rooms as much as possible.

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Why?

By that standard, multi-tabling wouldn't be allowed.

By the way, I agree with you about the rules.
If they made it against the rules, I'd think it was silly, but I would still call anyone who used the software a cheater.

But compairing PT/PV to bots is just silly.
Bots play the game FOR you.
PV/PT only accumulate and manage data.

lorinda · #47 02-07-2005, 03:23 PM

Information sent to an outside program is not permitted

From party T+C.

Lori

Sephus · #48 02-07-2005, 03:24 PM

hmm thin man doesn't like PT. i think i'd better stop using it and cut my winrate by 25-30% so he'll think i'm a "real" poker player.

touchfaith · #49 02-07-2005, 03:25 PM

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The information IS provided by the sitesin "raw" form. The program simply takes the information that PP loads onto my hard drive and formats it in an easy to use fashion. It turns data into information...

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I knew I'd get another intelligent response eventually.

See, this makes a little sense.

But, I would still have a problem with the information being 'overlayed' onto the poker window, under the cooresponding name.

It is not a crime to have the information, but to modify or alter the poker window in ANY way shape or form is a problem for me.

Chad gave the example:

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No PT or HUD display
I have two computers
1)playing poker
2)I enter into a database every hand I see people play and what they raise with and when
I query that 2nd computer before calling a raise or some other action

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And no...I would have absolutely no problem with a scenero like this.

And I would actually have no problem with the current scenero, as long as it was not overlayed on the poker screen.

If you can manage looking up and obtaining the information (already stored in your PC, but now formatted by a SEPARATE app) AND multi-table....more power to you.

But most...ok, probably none of you could and therefore, it is an unfair advantage.

pudley4 · #50 02-07-2005, 03:26 PM

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Stumbled across this in that stupid 'party is racist' thread (grow up)...

But it brings me to another point....

I think that sites should do something to block/eliminate these stat tracker things.

If you are too stupid to keep notes on your own or track someones play style...DONT PLAY POKER.

These things are a joke and are the number one reason I play at multiple sites under multiple names.

Have fun at a B&M without your little stat trackers.

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Blah blah blah.

You want a "level" playing field. Then you'd better ban all books, all magazines, all websites, all forums, all online notes, all coaches, all player-to-player discussions/analysis, all starting hand charts, all odds charts, etc.

In fact, you'd better ban math entirely because it's not fair that I know how to use math to figure out the odds of hitting a two-outer on the turn and my opponent doesn't.

BTW...