Preflop Bot

[gusly]

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Humans tilt, get tired, etc.. Starting hand bots don't. I *know* I am not supposed to limp with Axs UTG, but I just had my Aces cracked and am pissed. Oh great, the pot gets capped...well might as well call...c'mon 6%!!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I agree that the the actions should not just take place without the option of human interaction.

That's why I said in my first reply that the author should build in a mechanism where fish could see upcoming actions and stop/modify them if they want to play a trash hand.

[AngryCola]

If you distribute it, AT ALL, you are opening a large can of worms.

Don't do it.

[JoeC]

What is the Blue Devil jumping on in your avatar?

[mcozzy1]

If Party catches you with it, you can lose ALL your money and get your account frozen. If you can beat the 15/30 games, why would you even want to do something like this?

[emonrad87]

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Well, right off the bat, this "bot" wouldn't cross the line according to your terms. Why? Because it doesn't completely remove the human element. It would only act preflop. And postflop decision-making is much more complex and valuable than preflop decision making.

And going one step further (or back, if you like), making the user define which hands to fold makes it completely ethical. How would inputting which hands you want to play preflop into this piece of software be any more unethical than referring to a chart next to your monitor?

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Actually, this bot very much does cross my line. It removes SOME of the human element. Also, just because it forces a user to input the requirements ONCE (when they're on a normal state of mind) is MUCH different from making them act each time after getting sucked out on for 3 hours straight and having aces cracked on two different tables by A3o. After this happens, someone could be reading the chart but saying, oh screw it i gotta get my money back from that no talent ass-clown.

Because it reduces the number of brain decisions a human is forced to make, it is unethical.

[Bytestream]

Based on this argument, Poker Tracker crosses the line, because it removes SOME of the human element as well. If you ever multitabled and made a decision to fold because you notice a player with a PFR of 2% raises or call because a player with a VPIP of 90% calls, you have cheated the human element.

[emonrad87]

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Based on this argument, Poker Tracker crosses the line, because it removes SOME of the human element as well. If you ever multitabled and made a decision to fold because you notice a player with a PFR of 2% raises or call because a player with a VPIP of 90% calls, you have cheated the human element.

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But it has. You look at the stats, and you still have to put those stats into action.

[BradleyT]

What does it do with J8s in the SB after 2,3,4,5,6,7 limpers? What about an UTG raise but 6 cold calling limpers? What about J8s in the cutoff after 4 limpers?

These are instantaneous decisions for humans, but complex for a bot. You have 169 (hands) * 10 (positions) * 10 (players in) * 5 (bets - unraised, raised, re-raised, re-reraised, capped) to consider. That doesn't even take into account such things as looseness/tightness of whose in the pot or the passiveness/aggressiveness of the game/players in/players behind you.

Oh and hows it do for stealing blinds?

[TylerD]

Suppose you wrote down a flow chart of courses of action for preflop moves. You made a decision at each node, the questions related to various variables, amongst them your cards, your position and your opponents pokertracker stats. You followed the flow chart religiously. Would this still be wrong?

[Reef]

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Yes, and this is a big fear of mine....I would not let it become widespread and strictly limit the number of copies out there. Perhaps have some sort of subscription based license so when the limit it reached, those not renewing could be replaced by other interested parties. Trust me, I have a lot more interest in keeping the tables loose generally than in making money from this thing (although a little of both would be nice, no doubt.)

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I guarantee it would be an easy download to find in a couple months if it was really good. Someone's friend asks them for a copy, then a friend of a friend, etc. Suddenly it's on kazaa or morpheus