Incidence of Defensive Gun Use Far Outweighs Offensive Gun Use

[Jim Kuhn]

Very well said!

[Zeno]

Andy,

I think that we will just disagree on this issue. Which is OK. Disagreements make a good poker game and I love you still also. Others have answered your posts and I pretty much agree with M, HDPM, Ray, etc. and etc.

You may be letting your passions about this issue cloud your usual good judgment and arguments. We have been over all this ground before and sometimes I grow weary of it. The common good has been used throughout history for the purpose of curtailing and/or denying inherent freedoms and liberties and the setting up of tyrannies. Whenever I hear an official talk of the common good my skeptical meter goes up. Anyway, I have stated my position and will live and die by it. Let’s do a post and thread on Poets.

Regards as always,

-Zeno

[andyfox]

I note the hunting crowd recently caused Bush to rethink some of his more egregious environmental positions, such as repealing the endangered species act. Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows.

[MMMMMM]

"Let’s do a post and thread on Poets."

A fine idea.

By the way, I was seriously grieved (well almost;-)) when I saw that the thread "More Shelley" got no responses, and worse, drew hardly any views--while the e.e. cummings thread drew a crowd. This helps support my previously stated view that art, and appreciation of art, has overall declined greatly in the modern world. With the exception of Frost, I consider 20th century Western poets to be, generally speaking, mere jugglers and casual observers, as opposed to truly great artists. Interestingly, I recently read an essay on Frost which pointed out that his poetry is not "modern" in any sense.